Israel and World War III part four

[RIJIMMY]

Actually, isnt the root casue of Jesus' death, God? Isnt that the fufillment of God's plan? Without Jesus's death, whats the point? you'd have just another prophet. Christianity, as I understand it believes Jesus died for there sins, no death, no Christianity.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Actually, isnt the root casue of Jesus' death, God? Isnt that the fufillment of God's plan? Without Jesus's death, whats the point? you'd have just another prophet. Christianity, as I understand it believes Jesus died for there sins, no death, no Christianity.

Good point...

But I think God sent Jesus to earth on the assumption that Satan would cause his betrayal.

Given that he or she is omnipotent, they might have been fairly certain of this...but still it was a way to mitigate sin

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Who is the Angel of Light and who do many diverse peoples believe rules now?

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Who is the Angel of Light and who do many diverse peoples believe rules now?

Smells like a #^&#^&#^&#^& Cheney tangent

-spence

[Homerun04]

The root cause was Satan as I indicated above.

Judas didn't betray Jesus because he was Jewish, it's because he was guided by evil...the Bible spells this out pretty clearly.

The Jewish leadership that was threatened by Jesus was afraid of his popularity...it was about power, and more Satan.

Granted, the entire thing from birth on up was rigged...which is why I really don't understand all this emotion for the Passion.

True....it was rigged from the very beginning, as it was supposed to be.....Jesus was said to have come here for a very specific pre-determined (your term "rigged") purpose....hence the term "prophecies"......but that DOES NOT leave people with no accountability for their actions....you seem to be saying that the devil made the Jews and Romans do it, so therefore they are not to be held accountable....I believe God gave us free-will to test how strong we would hold up against the temptations of Satan....and to then hold us accountable for our actions. Judas didn't have to betray Jesus no matter how tempted he was to do it. That was a choice.

Please don't say that Satan is the root cause of Jesus' death, because that makes no sense to me.....why would Satan want Jesus dead, when it was Jesus' death and resurrection that would open up the doors of eternal life for all mankind.....Jesus' death is the EXACT opposite of what Satan would have wanted IMO. People wanted Jesus dead, not Satan.

[spence]

But why did "people" want Jesus dead?

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Homerun04

Jesus' death is the EXACT opposite of what Satan would have wanted IMO. People wanted Jesus dead, not Satan.

I don't think Satan thinks this stuff through...he's a hell raiser (pun intended) simply out to create chaos.

From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

-spence

[Homerun04]

From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

Now THAT is something we can agree upon......

[RIJIMMY]

My Dad always told me, never discuss religion and politics,,,,,now here they are in the same thread!

[stormfish]

Wow, this is thread is becoming really interesting and fun to read. What a great way to pass through work... So the arguements are here are as, the Jews were possessed by Satan therefore sending Jesus back home. So if we're not to blame the Jews then blame Satan because it is for he who possessed them to sin.

Let me try to apply this to politics...

Let's say terrorists in general are possessed by the Satan so when they terrorize, then they aren't to blame because it is for Satan who possessed them. The same can be applied to psychotic murderers I guess...

eyh, what a Load of b#ll!

[spence]

Originally Posted by stormfish

Let me try to apply this to politics...

Let's say terrorists in general are possessed by the Satan so when they terrorize, then they aren't to blame because it is for Satan who possessed them. The same can be applied to psychotic murderers I guess...

No, there's a big difference...

The root cause of Jesus' death is part of an allegory meant to provide a moral lesson. Note: I don't take a literal interpretation of the Bible.

And our legal system is heavily influenced by elements of Biblical inspired morality that's detached from the dogma of the Bible.

This isn't to argue moral relativisim, but I can't compare spiritual teaching with reality in a literal sense.

-spence

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't think Satan thinks this stuff through...he's a hell raiser (pun intended) simply out to create chaos.

From what I hear he's a lot like Clammer

-spence

NO SPENCE, SATAN IS IS MOOOOOOORE LIKE YOU!!!
YOUR A REAL PAIN IN THE ASS!!