Triple Inverted Double Speak

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

And here's where you're completely off base.

The "Left Wing" represents a fraction of America. The vast majority of anger at the President is coming from the middle and is due to POLICY rather than personality.

The entire "Hate Bush" and "alternate plan" mantras are an intellectual cop out for those to lazy or unwilling to process the facts.

You want a plan? Simple, make policy based on the world AS IT IS rather than as you would like it to be...

That's a new direction we should all be able to agree on.

-spence

Yeah thats a plan. Wouldn't have done much to eliminate Nazism, Slavery or thousands of other issues that could have been accepted and planned around, but its a plan. (I guess). Intellectual Cop Out? Sounds like Triple inverted doublespeak to discredit the opinion of anyone who disagrees with you. And no I'm not lazy, or unwilling to process facts nor are the vast majority of those who don't agree with your point of view or accept your version of fact. I still very much support a plan that kills sworn enemies of America before they kill us. And yes we are fighting Terrorists in Iraq like it or not. Maybe they weren't there before but they are now and thats the world today AS IT IS.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Yeah thats a plan. Wouldn't have done much to eliminate Nazism, Slavery or thousands of other issues that could have been accepted and planned around, but its a plan.

Hogwash, I'm not advocating inaction...I'm advocating objective thought!

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Hogwash, I'm not advocating inaction...I'm advocating objective thought!

-spence

Great stuff, as long as you are prepared to perform the objective thought process in conjunction with and at the same time as killing those who are planning to kill us. But if thats message the Democratic Party is trying to put forth they are failing miserably.

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Great stuff, as long as you are prepared to perform the objective thought process in conjunction with and at the same time as killing those who are planning to kill us. But if thats message the Democratic Party is trying to put forth they are failing miserably.

The Dems are in a very difficult situation. They are a "big tent" party with a variety of opinions fighting for attention. As they don't have any real leadership positions, there isn't a single message to focus on.

This is a good and bad thing. With the variety of voices you get more options, but it's difficult for the general public to process.

The GOP is completely united around a single theme, kill them before they kill us.

Unfortunately that's where the thought process stops, which is why we have so many problems today in Iraq and in the "war on terror" in general.

The answer isn't in liberalisim alone, it's in Democracy...which requires the free exchange of ideas and ultimately cooperation and compramise to function.

Today, with the GOP attempting to monopolize our system through fear we have none of this...in fact it's demonized as "unpatriotic".

History will show this to be perhaps the most "anti-democratic" administration in modern US history...and we're all going to pay the price.

-spence

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by spence

Today, with the GOP attempting to monopolize our system through fear we have none of this...in fact it's demonized as "unpatriotic".

-spence

How easily some forget the horrific events that only happened a few years ago in NY, and what almost happened a couple of weeks ago on planes en route from London. How can you not FEAR what these nut jobs will try? Where has compromise, or diplomacy worked on these Muslim extremists in the past?

As somebody mentioned earlier. Who cares where the fight is done? As long as we are able to bring the fight TO them, rather than having them bring the fight here we have to do it.

[spence]

Originally Posted by slapshot

Who cares where the fight is done? As long as we are able to bring the fight TO them, rather than having them bring the fight here we have to do it.

You don't get it...

We're not taking the fight to them, we're creating more of them than we're killing.

The end goal isn't a body count, it's a safe world. It's precisely how we're taking the fight to them that's the problem.

Our strategy has been ignorant and incompetent from day one which is wasting and diminishing the effectiveness of our troops. Given that blood and money are on the line, this is a big deal indeed.

Did we learn nothing from Vietnam?

-spence