Interesting read on the War in Iraq

[Swimmer]

A while ago I made a statement that the muslim fanatics who strip people of thier basic human rights, such as education(females), and refused to let people watch tv or listen to radios and do many other activities were much the same as the nazis in the 30's & 40's, and you said I was, without being able to quote exactly, wrong.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

A while ago I made a statement that the muslim fanatics who strip people of thier basic human rights, such as education(females), and refused to let people watch tv or listen to radios and do many other activities were much the same as the nazis in the 30's & 40's, and you said I was, without being able to quote exactly, wrong.

You're right on, although i would actually compare the mindset of the Radical Muslims to the Japaneese of the WWII era, they were total fanatics and never surrendered, they would commit suicude rather than fall into US hands. This was the mindset of the average Japaneese soldier and civilaians alike. Total fanatics. The average german soldier on the other hand,understood when it was time to call it quits and surrender, and they would surrender by the thousands. They were not even close to being as fanatical as the Japs in my opinion. The SS and the high ranking brass were total nut jobs of course, but the average soldier was not.

Radical Islam will not surrender, they have that Japaneese WWII mindset. Only total destruction of the Radicals will prevail. Sorry Spence, i know you dont wanna hear that!

Spence, are you one of the guys who still opposes the use of the atomic Bombs to end WWII? Even though by dropping those babys we saved an estimated 1 million american soldiers lives? And yes, those were estimates for a mainland invasion of Japan. I just have a funny feeling you would've opposed dropping the bombs

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

Radical Islam will not surrender, they have that Japaneese WWII mindset. Only total destruction of the Radicals will prevail. Sorry Spence, i know you dont wanna hear that.

Skipper, I don't think you really grasp the mindset of these people.

Bin Laden isn't crazy...far from it.

9/11 wasn't an attack to kill infidels simply because they were. It was in their eyes a defensive counterattack. We're not fighting a bunch of mindless fanatics, it's a global insurgency.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Bin Laden isn't crazy...far from it.


-spence

No he is not crazy, he is a FANATIC. He uses his brains and affluence to kill people at all costs. The reason? Religious fervor. Islam fanatcism.
To some of us, that means he is crazy, a wacko, freak, etc.


Spence, you seem to think there is this consortium of radical islam with a well thought out plan, an agenda based on historical poliycial misjudgements from the west. What you really have is religious zealots, pent on killing and disrupting civilized countries and economies. The failure to recognize this is EXACTLY what the writer of the article above was trying to get at.
If your family is blown up in a Burger King, it will not help the Islamic cause, change goverment policy or spread Islam, however...it will be a succes for radical Islam, people will cheer and celebrate. Its not about Dems or Repubs, its not about righting the wrongs of the past, its about killing you. That is there goal.

[spence]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

What you really have is religious zealots, pent on killing and disrupting civilized countries and economies. The failure to recognize this is EXACTLY what the writer of the article above was trying to get at.

And why I think they're missing the point. 9/11 wasn't an act of religious zealotry, it was a political response. That's not to say that Islam doesn't influence the actions of some terrorists, but the expression is has to do with political elements of human nature.

Terrorists attact because of rage, humiliation etc...not because the Koran made them do it.

I'd wager that the threat has been characterized this way for a simple reason...it's easier for people to swallow.

Skipper is a perfect example of this. To group alQaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas together as threats because of their religious extremism defies observable fact. It's prepackaging done for domestic consumption to distract the people from the real nuances of the situation, which require more effort to change than we're being told.

-spence

[spence]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

A while ago I made a statement that the muslim fanatics who strip people of thier basic human rights, such as education(females), and refused to let people watch tv or listen to radios and do many other activities were much the same as the nazis in the 30's & 40's, and you said I was, without being able to quote exactly, wrong.

Search isn't working, but I seem to remember the parallel as being somewhat different. I'll look at it later...

-spence