Democrat or Republican . . .

[spence]

Originally Posted by BassyiusMaximus

After all, it has been said many times that " . . . those who pay the most (in taxes), benefit the least."

Now that's just silly...

The rich do pay their fair share, but without a progressive system there would be no end workers (i.e. middle class) to create the value accumulation necessary to drive their ability to fund the tax base.

Put in more simple terms, the rich do indeed stand on the backs of the middle class.

In other words "trickle down" is a critical component to our system, but just as important is "trickle up"!

The problem isn't that the wealthy pay too much in taxes, it's just that the money is used so inefficiently the burden as a whole is greater on the entire population.

To me this has little to do with Democrat vs Republican, as I can name countless instances where neither party actually behaves like you might expect.

-spence

[Young Salt]

it's more like those who get paid the most, work the least - while those who work the most get paid the least.

so the the rich pay (less now thx to bush) alot in taxs, let me cry them a river

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Young Salt

it's more like those who get paid the most, work the least - while those who work the most get paid the least.

so the the rich pay (less now thx to bush) alot in taxs, let me cry them a river

This sums up the thinking of the left very well. They think that all people who earn a good wage somehow don't deserve it, and they in turn, are getting screwed. Well guess what, if you're unhappy with your current wage, do something to market your skills better, so you'll get that better wage! Sure, there are some people who have never worked a day in thier lives and have had everything handed to them. but most succesful people have worked HARD to become succesful!!

If you're not happy with you current wage, don't take it out on the folks who have worked hard to become succesful, look at yourself and see how you can better market your skills so YOU can earn more and be succesful! Dont blame the rich!

And i dont care what people make, 20 grand or 20 million. If you pay taxes, you should get some of you're damn money back in tax cuts. And its common sense, a guy making 30k will get less money back than a guy making 500k! So of course the rich got more from the tax cuts, becasue they freakin make more!!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

If you pay taxes, you should get some of you're damn money back in tax cuts.

This doesn't make any sense...

-spence

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by spence

This doesn't make any sense...

-spence

I didnt phrase that very well. Lets try this again. What i was attempting to say is that when americans recieve tax cuts from the governement, everyone who pays taxes should get a share of the tax cuts. The rich are entilted to get some of thier tax money back too. Lets not penalize people for being succesful, and not give them a refund as well. it's thier money to ya know!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Skip N

I didnt phrase that very well. Lets try this again. What i was attempting to say is that when americans recieve tax cuts from the governement, everyone who pays taxes should get a share of the tax cuts. The rich are entilted to get some of thier tax money back too. Lets not penalize people for being succesful, and not give them a refund as well. it's thier money to ya know!

I'd wager the wealthy make out on most tax breaks...unless it's a special program like the earned income credit.

But this stuff is probably dramatically outweighed by dividend cuts, capitol gains etc... that have much more impact on the investor class.

-spence

[BassyiusMaximus]

I agree that if one works hard, one should get to keep what they make, however, we do all need to pay our fair share.

One of the main reasons I don't go to the movies, pay for cable TV or even go to concerts or sporting events is because the people who would profit don't need any more of my hard earned money. On the flip side, while atheletes and movie stars and the owners and producers and such make so much, they also pay so much, so it makes the world go round. I sure can't complain about what I make, I always knew that if I wanted something that no one was just going to give it to me. I knew I had to work for it. But as I get older and somewhat wiser, I do feel like I want to pay less and less in taxes and almost every other issue to me becomes moot.

Interesting Democratic debate last night. I'd have to lean toward Riley at this point.

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd wager the wealthy make out on most tax breaks...unless it's a special program like the earned income credit.

But this stuff is probably dramatically outweighed by dividend cuts, capitol gains etc... that have much more impact on the investor class.

-spence

What he say is true... That's why we have tax cuts! It's primarily for the rich not the less fortunate. The theory is that by cutting taxes it allows the 'successful mates' to allow for economical expansion such as spence put it... 'investing'

That would answer why through economical woes, Bush insist on implementing more tax cuts. He likes to keep his people happy. *Ahem* Enron, Halliburton...

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

Now that's just silly...

The rich do pay their fair share, but without a progressive system there would be no end workers (i.e. middle class) to create the value accumulation necessary to drive their ability to fund the tax base.

Put in more simple terms, the rich do indeed stand on the backs of the middle class.

In other words "trickle down" is a critical component to our system, but just as important is "trickle up"!

The problem isn't that the wealthy pay too much in taxes, it's just that the money is used so inefficiently the burden as a whole is greater on the entire population.

To me this has little to do with Democrat vs Republican, as I can name countless instances where neither party actually behaves like you might expect.

-spence

Think maybe for once you could try to respect someones opinion without pronouncing it: Silly, Stupid, or idiotic?

Elitism

Elitism is a belief or attitude that the people who are considered to be the elite — a selected group of persons whose personal abilities, wealth, specialised training or experience, or other attributes place them at the top of any field (especially politics and business, but see below) — are the people whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously, or that these are persons whose views should be regarded as carrying the most weight, or, more simply, these people are best fit to govern. Elitism may also be used to convey a less rational and more purely arrogant sense of entitlement to better treatment owing to wealth, social standing, etc.

Stemming mostly from this usage, elitism has highly negative connotations and is often used pejoratively as conveying arrogance or disregard for the general non-elite public. In its political and sociological sense, elitism sees an elite as occupying a special position of authority or privilege in a group, set apart from the majority of people without the selected abilities or attributes.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Think maybe for once you could try to respect someones opinion without pronouncing it: Silly, Stupid, or idiotic?

Elitism

Elitism is a belief or attitude that the people who are considered to be the elite — a selected group of persons whose personal abilities, wealth, specialised training or experience, or other attributes place them at the top of any field (especially politics and business, but see below) — are the people whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously, or that these are persons whose views should be regarded as carrying the most weight, or, more simply, these people are best fit to govern. Elitism may also be used to convey a less rational and more purely arrogant sense of entitlement to better treatment owing to wealth, social standing, etc.

Stemming mostly from this usage, elitism has highly negative connotations and is often used pejoratively as conveying arrogance or disregard for the general non-elite public. In its political and sociological sense, elitism sees an elite as occupying a special position of authority or privilege in a group, set apart from the majority of people without the selected abilities or attributes.

You two brothers? I think you do your share of I`m right your a moron posts to.... I know I do

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

Think maybe for once you could try to respect someones opinion without pronouncing it: Silly, Stupid, or idiotic?

He was simply stating a quote, as in "it's been often said". I happen to think that's a silly quote, and offered some supporting comments as to why.

If I was an "elite", I simply would have dismissed him personally and moved on.

-spence

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

He was simply stating a quote, as in "it's been often said". I happen to think that's a silly quote, and offered some supporting comments as to why.

If I was an "elite", I simply would have dismissed him personally and moved on.

-spence

I never said you were an elite.

[BassyiusMaximus]

The only reason why I post this sort of thing is to see what you all think, being fishermen I'm sure we have views which may be unique when it comes to politics. Even though it is always dangerous ground, politics, along with religion, to discuss.

I see the television, fee television anyways as I cannot get myself to pay for tv, is chock full of ads for the Lt. Governor and the Governorship itself and I try my best to see who the best candidate is and whether they believe in what I believe in.

I like to believe I'm neutral/unenrolled and wait to see who promises what before I vote.

[spence]

Originally Posted by BassyiusMaximus

The only reason why I post this sort of thing is to see what you all think, being fishermen I'm sure we have views which may be unique when it comes to politics.

I agree, that's a very neat aspect of the boards...

I see the television, fee television anyways as I cannot get myself to pay for tv, is chock full of ads for the Lt. Governor and the Governorship itself and I try my best to see who the best candidate is and whether they believe in what I believe in.

Free TV is probably better anyway...the cable news channels are so stuffed with comment as news that unless you know which personalities are more objective it's a complete crap shoot for quality.

I like to believe I'm neutral/unenrolled and wait to see who promises what before I vote.

Which should be commended. There's way too much alignment with partisan views or manipulative campaigning messages.

-spence