Two confirmed very large fish!

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by piemma

It is a fact that, except in very rare instances, 50 and 60 pound fish don't have viable roe. In fact, I can quote a number of sources who have documented the fact that the roe in older fish is grey, not alive and viable (white or pink) as it is in younger breeding females.

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Could you please support this information with a link. It is the opposite of what I understand to be true.

[QUOTE-piemma]The second point, and of equal importance, is that regardless of whether the fish were surf caught or boat caught, they would have built up huge amounts of lactic acid and would most certianly die if released.
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Wrong, for the same reason runners don't die when their muscles are fatigued. It is the rare fish (bass at least) that can't be revived if appropriately handled, though I acknowledge that many fisherman do not do the latter and that undeniably some fish that appear OK on release die later.

That many people need to rationalize killing them indicates that at some level they are uncomfortable doing it (or perhaps they are comfortable doing it but uncomfortable being adversely judged by others for doing so) and are looking for reasons to feel better about it. At the end of the day, at least IMO, all ethical arguments about this become a bunch of intellectual masturbation. My only point is that if you like to keep fish to eat, sell, or mount, then I have no problem with it. If you like to keep fish to for the primary purpose of showing them off, well that's your business as well, but it is hardly something to admire.

[piemma]

Originally Posted by numbskull

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Could you please support this information with a link. It is the opposite of what I understand to be true.


Wrong, for the same reason runners don't die when their muscles are fatigued. It is the rare fish (bass at least) that can't be revived if appropriately handled, though I acknowledge that many fisherman do not do the latter and that undeniably some fish that appear OK on release die later.

That many people need to rationalize killing them indicates that at some level they are uncomfortable doing it (or perhaps they are comfortable doing it but uncomfortable being adversely judged by others for doing so) and are looking for reasons to feel better about it. At the end of the day, at least IMO, all ethical arguments about this become a bunch of intellectual masturbation. My only point is that if you like to keep fish to eat, sell, or mount, then I have no problem with it. If you like to keep fish to for the primary purpose of showing them off, well that's your business as well, but it is hardly something to admire.

I will pull the information together for you and PM you with the sources.
Your last point. I agree with you. If you are not going to eat, sell or mount and only keep it for the glory, then you are a scumbag. I was part of the 70's group that "tonged" the bass nightly. I am not proud of the number of fish we killed but they never went to waste. Yes, there was abuse but it was not illegal, just stupid. I can remember coming back from the Cape following Charlie Murat and having our trucks full of 20s, 30s, 40s. We gave fish to everyone we knew and when that was done my father took what was left and gave it to the Sisters of Mercy at St. Aloicious Orphanage in Greenville RI. We never bragged about what we caught because who would listen? No one cared about 40 pound bass. It was no big deal. I think with the advent of the internet it has become more of the "glory" thing. In the 70s who were you gonna tell. The few other guys that surf fished? They caught them too.

[eelman]

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

Just goes to show you what JEALOUSY can do!!

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

Its all your fault Bill I think you should release Menhaden as well

[Squid kids Dad]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&...Congrats on your.40 Bill..What no pic's of you not smiling???Because without pics how do we know you actually caught it??

[spence]

On another site there's a raging argument on if your suit/sport jacket sleeve length should be relative to your wristbone-or from the tip of your thumb, to ensure you show a proper amount (1/4 to 1/2 inches) of cuff.

So perhaps it's just that time of year.

-spence

[macojoe]

If it was I, Them fiash be at the scale faster then you can know!!

I would be showing off them fish all day, and then I would spread the meat to all friends and family!!

Congrtas to whom ever it was they were truly blessed!!~

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by spence

On another site there's a raging argument on if your suit/sport jacket sleeve length should be relative to your wristbone-or from the tip of your thumb, to ensure you show a proper amount (1/4 to 1/2 inches) of cuff.

So perhaps it's just that time of year.

-spence

Puhhhhlllleeeeeezzzeeeeeeeeeeeeee

LYB

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

[MrHunters]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

the argument is excess not the fact that he caught 2 gigantor fish.

it happens with everything, there is a fine line between being proud of something you have accomplished and looking like an arse from grabbing the jewels and bragging to much.

i don't know this guys style of fishing and this may be the first two fish he has kept all year. On paper, it looks like the later. Perhaps he didnt have a camera and no one would have believed him

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

This is why if I ever catch a cow no one will know but those really close to me and the taxidermist! Yes you read that right I will hang a 50# or more and not bat an eyelash over it. Every fish I have ever kept (and no that number doesnt equal everyone I ever caught) has gone in the cooler, frugally filleted and consumed ...not wasted.

I feel everyone is in fact entitled to their own opinion. BUT if you fish (I assume everyone here fishes?) and even if you have never kept a single fish you ever caught..... you have most likely still killed fish and that certainly is a thought to be pondered. No one here can claim that every fish they released has survived as it would have if it was never caught at all. Did you get get bacteria on it? Did it suffer and die 3 months later because infection? Did it spread that infection to other fish? There is no way of knowing.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

This is AMAZING......... Every person on this board who posts a fish gets accolades, I post that these guys took two real cows and its turned into a circus....could have left it at "nice fish congrats" instead....oh well forget it...its like banging your head against the wall

My fault, and I apologize. Actually I'm glad you posted it because it helps me to know there are big fish around (albeit 30 miles by water from where I fish). What I really was hoping to accomplish was to get one of you guys to release a near dead permanently brain damaged cow, so when it recovers I got some small chance at catching it on the wooden crap I'm throwing. By the way, does snagging count?

[Slingah]

Originally Posted by numbskull

My fault, and I apologize. Actually I'm glad you posted it because it helps me to know there are big fish around (albeit 30 miles by water from where I fish). What I really was hoping to accomplish was to get one of you guys to release a near dead permanently brain damaged cow, so when it recovers I got some small chance at catching it on the wooden crap I'm throwing. By the way, does snagging count?

....nice backpeddling G.

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Slingah

....nice backpeddling G.

Yeah, when you're wrong as often as I am you get good at it. Such is life.

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by numbskull

Yeah, when you're wrong as often as I am you get good at it. Such is life.

Kurt Vonnegut?

[DJ Muller]

Joe P,
I apologize that you misunderstood me. I meant it the way Dave understood it. I did not mean to ruffle you. I just meant that until you have a fatty laying at your feet and experience it and the emotion and the adrenlin, it is hard for someone to say to someone else what to do with the fish. That is all. Sorry pal.

[Krispy]

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Krispy

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by DJ Muller

Joe P,
I apologize that you misunderstood me. I meant it the way Dave understood it. I did not mean to ruffle you. I just meant that until you have a fatty laying at your feet and experience it and the emotion and the adrenlin, it is hard for someone to say to someone else what to do with the fish. That is all. Sorry pal.

Got ya. No problem - I misunderstood your point.

[Saltheart]

Its a shame big fish pictures can't just be enjoyed on their own. If people want to beat the conservation drum (a noble cause IMO ) why not start another thread. why spoil the thread showing such a spectacular catch?

Anyway , I also think its bunk about nobody believes you unless you show the dead fish around tackle shops. WHO CARES WHO BELIEVES YOU???? You know you caught them. Nobody else matters.

[Krispy]

this whole thread is a Quaker Lane
Congrats to the guy on his two 50's, must have been a fun day for him

[Flaptail]

In the process of closing this thread...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Saltheart

Its a shame big fish pictures can't just be enjoyed on their own. If people want to beat the conservation drum (a noble cause IMO ) why not start another thread. why spoil the thread showing such a spectacular catch?

Anyway , I also think its bunk about nobody believes you unless you show the dead fish around tackle shops. WHO CARES WHO BELIEVES YOU???? You know you caught them. Nobody else matters.

This topic comes up frequent enough and the resulting pi$$ing contest is almost as reliable.... Had I not been over on Cuttyhunk I would have moderated it a lot quicker.

Please keep the personal attacks to a minimum or even better - no personal attacks at all. DISCUSS this, instead, in a more civilized manner please without the uneccesary and unsubstantiated name calling. Discuss this like men, not like kids on a playground.

If the law needs to be changed make the necessary changes to the law. When the law needs discussion, discuss the law. No need to drag out a threadwar.

My personal opinions on this - Kudos to the guys that got 50s, 60s, and almost 50s this weekend - helluva good day on the water. Also, kudos to all that GOT OUT and enjoyed the water's edge or depth - that is more important and any SIZE of a fish. To those that kept or released them - that is your choice but keep in mind that if one gets a big bass it is your choice to bring it to a weigh in shop and your choice to weigh it in. It is not necessary to weigh it in just to prove you caught it.

[fishaholic18]

IN the process of closing / moderating this thread... Sorry dood

[Skitterpop]

Same here.... I`ve heard the big mommas were excellent breeders?

Where is Baldwin?

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Originally Posted by numbskull

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Could you please support this information with a link. It is the opposite of what I understand to be true.



Wrong, for the same reason runners don't die when their muscles are fatigued. It is the rare fish (bass at least) that can't be revived if appropriately handled, though I acknowledge that many fisherman do not do the latter and that undeniably some fish that appear OK on release die later.

That many people need to rationalize killing them indicates that at some level they are uncomfortable doing it (or perhaps they are comfortable doing it but uncomfortable being adversely judged by others for doing so) and are looking for reasons to feel better about it. At the end of the day, at least IMO, all ethical arguments about this become a bunch of intellectual masturbation. My only point is that if you like to keep fish to eat, sell, or mount, then I have no problem with it. If you like to keep fish to for the primary purpose of showing them off, well that's your business as well, but it is hardly something to admire.