Hmmmmmm

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

spence- what do you think their bottom line is?

They feel they're positioned to counter historical Western influence and are exploiting our situation in an effort to bolster their regional position.

I think the accusation of Iran as a sponsor needs to be put in context. Certainly they support Hezbollah, but this is a group that's not even on the EU list of terror organizations.

But beyond that what do we really know?

It's stated as fact that they have a military nuke program (and I'd wager they do) but we really don't have any real evidence that proves this.

You do know that in Afghanistan, pre "Axis of Evil" Iran was actually helping the United States.

The same people who are beating the drum of war with Iran are those that got everything wrong in Iraq. Think about that...

Now I'm not saying Iran isn't a threat, and a nuclear armed Iran wouldn't shift the balance of power in the region. The only thing in all our interests is non-proliferation.

But your "bottom line" statement above just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just a jumble of rhetorical snippits in a broad sweeping generalization. It's precisely this kind of thinking that paints issues as black or white and dwells only on worst case scenarios.

And as such there can be no political reasoning, just bluster and militant positioning, which is exactly what we are doing. Iran knows we have no military solution short of all out war. They are throwing Bush's "cowboy" rhetoric right back in his face to great affect.

-spence

[afterhours]

hezbolla IS a terrorist organization. they sucide bomb civilian populace, so no matter what the eu says- that's terrorism in action. bottom lines are what makes the world go round- not puesdo intellectual notions. not promoting war, just a little pre- emptive activity to prevent those clowns from dragging the world deeper into their visions and goals.

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

not promoting war, just a little pre- emptive activity to prevent those clowns from dragging the world deeper into their visions and goals.

You're not looking for "preemptive" action, but rather "preventative" action.

This is the same moral and strategic blunder the Bush Administration made in Iraq...

-spence

[Skitterpop]

Its such a mess..... do any of have an idea that might solve all this? I don`t think there is a solution.

If we wanted a clean slate worldwide I think it calls for a megameteorite to cleanse the earth of this human bacteria. Koolade anyone?

[stormfish]

Have a woman as President? Then again, the Christian radicals wouldn't have it...

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by stormfish

Have a woman as President? Then again, the Christian radicals wouldn't have it...

Unfortunately the only woman that could run as a candidate in the near would be Hillary.....and I'd rather cover my Cohones in Peanut Butter and lay down in a rat tank than have her as president.

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Unfortunately the only woman that could run as a candidate in the near would be Hillary.....and I'd rather cover my Cohones in Peanut Butter and lay down in a rat tank than have her as president.

Sounds painful...

[Raven]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Unfortunately the only woman that could run as a candidate in the near would be Hillary.....and I'd rather cover my Cohones in Peanut Butter and lay down in a rat tank than have her as president.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Its such a mess..... do any of have an idea that might solve all this? I don`t think there is a solution.

If we wanted a clean slate worldwide I think it calls for a megameteorite to cleanse the earth of this human bacteria. Koolade anyone?

It aint easy when you have millions of radical Islamists who want all non believers dead.

Look at what happens when the Pope makes some harmless comments about Islam, these people go out and riot, shoot a nun in the back and kill her, call for all Christians to convert or die, and openly call for the Pope to be killed. I'm sorry, but thier is nothing peaceful about Islam, so i have no clue how do deal with the radical Islamists. It's clear they want us all dead, so we can't negotiate with them, that's gonna get us know where fast, what are the options?

They certainly need to be dealt with....

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by Skip N

It aint easy when you have millions of radical Islamists who want all non believers dead.

Look at what happens when the Pope makes some harmless comments about Islam, these people go out and riot, shoot a nun in the back and kill her, call for all Christians to convert or die, and openly call for the Pope to be killed. I'm sorry, but thier is nothing peaceful about Islam, so i have no clue how do deal with the radical Islamists. It's clear they want us all dead, so we can't negotiate with them, that's gonna get us know where fast, what are the options?

They certainly need to be dealt with....

Agreed....its us or them.... we have to do something.

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by Skitterpop

Agreed....its us or them.... we have to do something.

Stay away from the Middle East and let them kill each other? Radical Islamics Vs. Good Islamics with some Jewish on the side. Then again, why can't we stay away from the middle east?

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by spence

They feel they're positioned to counter historical Western influence and are exploiting our situation in an effort to bolster their regional position.

I think the accusation of Iran as a sponsor needs to be put in context. Certainly they support Hezbollah, but this is a group that's not even on the EU list of terror organizations.

But beyond that what do we really know?

It's stated as fact that they have a military nuke program (and I'd wager they do) but we really don't have any real evidence that proves this.

You do know that in Afghanistan, pre "Axis of Evil" Iran was actually helping the United States.

The same people who are beating the drum of war with Iran are those that got everything wrong in Iraq. Think about that...

Now I'm not saying Iran isn't a threat, and a nuclear armed Iran wouldn't shift the balance of power in the region. The only thing in all our interests is non-proliferation.

But your "bottom line" statement above just doesn't make any sense to me. It's just a jumble of rhetorical snippits in a broad sweeping generalization. It's precisely this kind of thinking that paints issues as black or white and dwells only on worst case scenarios.

And as such there can be no political reasoning, just bluster and militant positioning, which is exactly what we are doing. Iran knows we have no military solution short of all out war. They are throwing Bush's "cowboy" rhetoric right back in his face to great affect.

-spence

No military solution short of all out war? What about thirty days of around the clock bombing?

[spence]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

No military solution short of all out war? What about thirty days of around the clock bombing?

I'd wager that would most likely trigger a large regional conflict...or war.

-spence

[stormfish]

Originally Posted by spence

I'd wager that would most likely trigger a large regional conflict...or war.

-spence

War as in the one in 1973? Could we have another oil embargo as with OPEC? October 6 is approaching so I guess we'll have to see... Just when gas prices are about to drop we'll probably face another crisis.