Shirts - Will You Buy Me?

[redcrbbr]

Originally Posted by JohnR

If this were the plugs, and not "sponsored by" yadayadayada , with the Normal S-B logo over the front pocket, would that seem "less commercial" ?

sounds like the plan to me

[tynan19]

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous. Back to my beer.

[jklett]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I chose the Plug Building community of S-B as I wanted to celebrate a group of people that the significant majority of us are in awe with.

The theme is loooosely based on a concert T-shirt.

I like the design, and I would try and buy one if you made them. I do agree with others that it doesn't represent the site as a whole, but that's not what was intended. After all, it does say "PlugFest East Coast Tour".

[Skitterpop]

Originally Posted by tynan19

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous. Back to my beer.

not even close T

["uffah!!"]

Originally Posted by tynan19

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous. Back to my beer.

You guys sound like a bunch of Spence's. Always pi$$ing, monning and groning over nothing. If you don't like the shirt, Don't Buy One!!

[jbuck]

John , here's my take on it. Do what you think is best because you will not please everybody. You are the one putting all the time into it should be your call.

Jeff

[afterhours]

as a sponsor, after hearing all the pissing and moaning about sponsor logos, i say keep the original design sans logos. it is a very unique and beautiful shirt.

[Megabyte]

Wow, does JohnR know how to draw crowd !

Well, now that most everyone has spoken, why don't we just answer JohnR's question. ( YES or NO )

Either on this post or someone start a poll.

[GBOUTDOORS]

We were asked and we answerd if you do not like my answer thats to bad I have a right to it and my offer still stands but I will not buy one of these sorry. Now all you that want it send John your money and be done with it. Just hope enough sell to cover the cost as I do love this site as much as anyone else but will give money to it in my way.

Ps no poll needed just place orders to John and order when enough are sold.

[Joe]

It depends on what the objective of the creation of the product is.

Is about selling a cool shirt?

Or is about selling a shirt that will maximize sales and raise a lot of revenue?

In my opinion, if its about selling shirts, then you're better off just having the site logo and selling them cheaper and providing long & short sleeve and pocket no pocket. This way you capture everyone who has a desire for a shirt regardless of shirt style. There are usually no additional make-ready costs for the silk screener to change shirt stocks.

By going with a controversial design you're immediately eliminating potential shirt buyers and shrinking your potential sales before you even print one shirt.

[Raider Ronnie]

Originally Posted by tynan19

Why is everyone so uptite over a t-shirt. It says S-B on the front and back and it supports the site bottom line. S-B is alright for the sticker not a $20 t-shirt. It seems like 5-6 people complaining about it and no one else. As long as it is for the benefit of this Site why even complain. 5 pages of whaaa it is only plugs is ridiculous. Back to my beer.

Because there has been talk of shirts/ hats being made and sold for the past 2-3 years that I know of!!! and the only thing that has been made are some stickers!!!
(other than some hats only a select few have who were here from the start!)
I say the design is awesome if it were to please plug builders only , but there is more than just plug building on this site!!!
I say scale down the amount of plugs and add a few other there things to ballance it off !

[nightfighter]

I suggest that JohnR set up a PM address, like the one for YASBR, for indications of interest/orders for sizes and numbers. Only those with interest in purchase need reply, and JR will have an idea of initial orders.....

[RIJIMMY]

Its funny when you're asked for your opinion and when you give it you get grief. I think all of the posts have been well thought out and not just griping.
If the purpose is a plug fest shirt, awesome deisgn, if it was meant as s-b.com shirt, it seems a little too much and does not appeal to a lot of people.
I'd rather have shirt with a big eel on it....

[Skip N]

The shirts will sell regardless of what design John desides to go with. John asked for some feedback/opinions and people have spoken up and have been honest. Now the people who disagree and dont think the design represents SB.com as a whole are being called whiners and babies, grow up people, you're the ones sounding like whining babies now! John wanted our feedback and thats what he's getting. maybe he should have asked for our feeback BEFORE he designed the shirt?

[Clammer]

R/R

What could be worse than Clammer ,s Ass ><><


EASY

a poor F #$%^&*( RAIDER ] fan

[Slingah]

Ill take two...of whatever you do.....I need some new clothes

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

I say the design is awesome if it were to please plug builders only , but there is more than just plug building on this site!!!

Just because it does not please you does not mean it does not please a lot of other people that do not make plugs. Let's be clear, it does not please you and some others. That is a far cry from meaning that it only pleases plug builders as there are a lot of non builders that really like the shirt.

GB, I get your idea on the other style shirts but one of the reasons I went this way was that plenty of places have the simple bass - The Black Bass for example, other sites with a simple bass. I just wanted to be a little different - not a run-of-the-mill shirt...

The print of the bass over the guys shoulder in Game Over would probably offend some of the boat guys. Sandsleds would offend somebody, Flys someone else.

Here were my goals:

1) Do a shirt that nobody or at least rarely has done before

2) Do a shirt that showcases what a lot of the people on the site apprectiate - plugs, whether building them or fishing them.

3) Do a shirt, that if not a classic, would be well sought after because people like the shirt

4) Make a shirt that was at least somewhat worthy of waiting all this time through all of the other aborted shirt attempts.

5) Offest some of the costs of the shirt by enlisting some of the sponsors to keep a reasonable price for the members - it's not all about making money.

6) Tie in loosely with some of the events we've had, half of which have been plug based...

Not a goal:

Sell 500 $5 shirts at 15 bucks a whack and make a ton of money. Selling 150 of these detailed Tshirts will make me about $2 per hour for the time I have invested in it. If it was about the money it would be something vastly different.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Skip N

John wanted our feedback and thats what he's getting. maybe he should have asked for our feeback BEFORE he designed the shirt?

I have done that in the past and gotten similar and varied responses. Which is part of why I wanted something different to break past that - guess I was a little less than accurate....

[Swimmer]

I like the shirt. And you know we all fish with these plugs. I fly fish also, but I still love plugging and these plugs all fish well. The guys who make them support this site. Start with this design first and then go from there.

[Swimmer]

JR can you squeeze my name on there, not for any particular reason I just want my name on the shirt too. After all you know how famous I am. Thank you John Pollack!

[JohnR]

Oh, and I want to be crystal clear about the sponsors logos listing on the back of the shirt. This was never a shirt to showcase the SPONSORS. The whole part of the sponsors was they were helping with the production costs of the shirt keeping the costs lower to you all, and they were enthusiastic about that. They were originally going to have their logos on a sleve.

So regardless of what happens, don't take a bad eye on those sponsors as they were trying to help me provide the shirts cheaper for you, that's all.

(We'll figure something out )

Thanks!

John

[Skip N]

If the shirt is going to be produced and sold anyway, why did you bother to ask for our input?

You're going to produce the shirt, so just do it, and this thread was a total waste of time giving our input if you're not going to listen to our suggestions.

Just produce the shirt and be done with it. it will sell, just not as many as a shirt with the actual SB.com logo on it. At least in my opinion anyway.

I just have trouble understanding how an official SB.com shirt doesnt have the official SB.com logo on it!? Just makes no sense to me!

[tattoobob]

I call it constructive criticism, Thanks for everything you do John

is this kiss butt enough

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Skip N

If the shirt is going to be produced and sold anyway, why did you bother to ask for our input?

You're going to produce the shirt, so just do it, and this thread was a total waste of time giving our input if you're not going to listen to our suggestions.

Just produce the shirt and be done with it. it will sell, just not as many as a shirt with the actual SB.com logo on it. At least in my opinion anyway.

I needed to see if I can cover the minimum production run, litteraly $2000, if there would be enough interest. That was the purpose of the thread. I may still do it I may not do it. I'm really not sure at this point. I don't NEED to make money on this shirt but I can't LOOOSE money on it.

So without sounding like a jackbutt, I'm not doing anything else on a shirt for a while because I'm tired of working til one in the morning on a shirt, and getting pissed at myself for taking my vacation days from my real job to work on this instead of working on my boat, taking my kid fishing, or all of the other "fun" things I could have been doing.

We've had half a dozen threads asking for shirts. When I ask for a slogan, I get a couple jokes and attempts. When I asked for a logo / symbol, I get a lot of art directors and little art. No general consensus. Guess I should have expected that this time too.

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I call it constructive criticism, Thanks for everything you do John

is this kiss butt enough

No Butt Kissing desired ... Yes, constructive criticism.... I know

[basswipe]

Personally I really don't care what the shirt looks like as I would buy it anyway.Its the least I can do to support what I consider my "home" on the net.

[Charleston]

Whenever you ask a question of this nature you get the complainers. It never fails. They pipe in to be hurd and that's about it. we have a great community here. The logos belong to sponsers of that very same community.
Make the shirts they will sell with no problem at all.
I'm in for a couple

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by Charleston

Whenever you ask a question of this nature you get the complainers. It never fails. They pipe in to be hurd and that's about it. we have a great community here. The logos belong to sponsers of that very same community.
Make the shirts they will sell with no problem at all.
I'm in for a couple

Camplainers?? I think not, it's called input! We have expressed our opinion about a shirt that does not represent this site. Its a shirt for plug builders and not a shirt for this site, it's that simple. And we were basiclly asked what we thought, so we speak up and tell what we think and now we are all a bunch of complainers? Un freakin' real.

If you dont want input dont ask. If you ask for input, then input you will get. There has been alot of good suggestions about shirt design in this thread. And that is called good input!

[macojoe]

If its a dead issue then its a dead issue.

I thank you John for trying!! But with a site this big, your going to end up with all different opions!!

You might be better off having a meeting with the Moderators and disscuss what you want, between the higer ups you should come up with something nice, then just sell them!

I am by no way a artist or even a good photoshop guy!! But something like this mite just be the ticket??

It shows the striper, the plug, and Amercian theme.



Or something like The red whit blue bass on the main site on back with the S-B logo on the pocket??

[Redsoxticket]

I have a t-shirt that has about 25 freshwater lures on the back. The front of the shirt has a multi-color/multi-font size phrase that states "Life is Full of Important Choices"
People would read the front and say the same what is written. When they see the back all the lures are there with the same phrase in larger print dead center.

I still would have liked a person size striper dressed in waders and korkers on the rocks with a bent rod. (Like reverse roles)

Whatever you do is fine, I'll order at least one.

[Megabyte]

I may have read JohnR's original post wrong, but I don't see where he asked for opinions.

He just asked if we'd buy it or not.

Obviously, if you don't like it, you're not going to buy it = No and that's OK cause that's what he was askin'

If you like it, you're probably going to buy it = YES

Pretty simple

JohnR had an idea in mind and "fessed up to the bar" and did somethin' about it. After several missteps to offer other shirts and hats, etc. it would be a shame to have this venture go down in flames also.
If this t-shirt venture were to fly, maybe there would be other t-shirts available. Maybe a S-B Tourney Leg 2006, 2007, etc. or S-B shirts.

Ya gotta start somewhere. Let's start by supporting "the man"