Cows: redux

[libassboy]

This question's for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&/NIB/and a few of u other guys who get many 30's during the season. When you say many how many is that, i mean, i have 2 this year, which is a good season so far for me..not including the late run of OCT and NOV. On AVG how many 30's do u guys generally get in a year?

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by libassboy

This question's for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&/NIB/and a few of u other guys who get many 30's during the season. When you say many how many is that, i mean, i have 2 this year, which is a good season so far for me..not including the late run of OCT and NOV. On AVG how many 30's do u guys generally get in a year?

I think I got 6 or 7 last year.

[libassboy]

I think I got 6 or 7 last year.

Usually i get my big hit of fish in late OCT/Nov down here, I expect 2 more for the season but 7 would be sweet!!

[eelman]

Originally Posted by libassboy

This question's for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&/NIB/and a few of u other guys who get many 30's during the season. When you say many how many is that, i mean, i have 2 this year, which is a good season so far for me..not including the late run of OCT and NOV. On AVG how many 30's do u guys generally get in a year?

It varies. every year is different and you cant catch whats not there...Having said that, I have 8 fish just at or over 30lbs this year..Last year I had more including a 43lb fish from the beach.2 -30lb fish is very good, I will cocede I have much more time than most to fish...is simple mathematics, my chances go way up because I put in more time and I realize that...I may live line bunker in the morning and then head out with live eels at night, just many opertunities, I also baught a boat this year so I could fish many different ways.

Targeting large fish only has its drawbacks....Its better to relax and let it happen, fishing with the intent of only catching large makes you fish tense... What I do is study my charts....I know the 2 or 3 places I fish most often intamatly, Agter of years on the same pearch you simply just learn when the opertunity for a big fish is there, you know that its worth going on a south east wind and not worth going on a southwest wind. I know that there is a window of time where I have the best shot....Notice , I dont say "I know the fish will be there" all you can do is make sure everything else is right condition wise and then just fish the place you have chose....I also fish my spots at everysingle stage of the tide coming or going, thats how you learn a spot....Some places I have stumbled upon by accident ! I went at the wrong time and caught fish and learned something in the process...If I catch fish at a new place , I look at a chart the next day and it hits me..."Oh thats why" there is a drop off here and deep water with a reef just under water" I also look at which way the currents move along a particular spot, sometimes its more important than the tide, sometimes its only good an hour before dead low or even still There are places where you can only reach the structure you want to fish on a moon low tide..


There is much to learn and its a constant process however, I like to concentrate on two or three spots and stick with them, they produce and I have taken the time to learn them.

When someone tells you they got fish at spot A You want to rush down there, well there is so much more to it than that....when did they catch, what was the wind, how did they aprocach the spot etc..etc..etc...What stage of the tide.

I dont follow tide rules, I only use the tide as it relates to a certain spot, Like I said some spots are good on low, some on high some in between...you have to learn your spots!

What you fish with is important, in my opinion you cannot beat live eels...just cant...over the course of a season nothing is more consistant, its a live bait! My numbers and size of fish should speak to that....I use eels from may until decmebr and have never ever had a problem catching fish...never! On the cape, guys do well with plugs...but , again, I am no expert on cape cod because I dont fish there aften....So what works for them is not for me to judge...I am an expert in Rhode Island and can tell you matter of fact, you can cast plugs till the hooks rust off and not even catch a third of what the live eel will catch...The eel also attracts large fish and all my 40lb and up fish have fell to live eels...Now why would anyone have a problem with that? Its the truth! So, while fishing to some is not about "catching"....it is to me..I dont want to lose sleep for a week straight and get skunked ! I want results and the live eel produces results!

So, its a matter of learning your spots well, if you have fished a spot for a few seasons and got nothing better than a teen size fish..odds are that spot just doesnt produce large....its not your fault...like I said earlier, you cant catch whats not there....I would then move on and learn and try new places. You want certain things, deep water within close range of the shoreline is important to me , load of structure is important to me, its the highways bass use to move and ambush and hide, lots of bottom forage is important to me, lobsters, crabs, etc... It is my belief that large bass would rather grub to eat than chase a baitfish all day long...and just to add to that....eels are fished very slow....


My ideas for catching fish may differ from others and thats fine , it works great for me....I have it down to now I only have to fish a couple hours a night, no more all nighters....my body cant take it anymore anyway...I never stay home on a full moon, I have caught some of my best on a full moon, again its time on the water...Sometimes its a matter of luck...some guys have a touch or a "golden horsehoe" or whatever you want to call it...weird things happen in this sport that confound.

But lastly and to pound it home... YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE TIME...its as simple as that, you cant catch fish staying home...I realize all about peoples work etc.... but still this sport is a matter of time on the water...

If you want to catch large consistantly

1) Put in the time!

2) Learn a few spots well instead of jumping all over the place or following or chasing reports...here today gone tommorow..

3) Know how tide and current affect where you fish, know how wind makes a difference, sometimes a certain wind will puch the current break closer to you...

4) use bait...sorry folks...but it really works..

5) Fish your chosen spot around the horn at every tide stage before you say its not good there....once you hit them, make a mental note

6) realize that some places only give up small bass and thats all your gonna get....move on

And put in your time!!

7) Have confidence! this makes all the difference in the world! Have confidence in what your fishing!

Go Catch large!

8) RELAX......They will come and it will happen!! Hope thios constitutes a helpfull post

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

It varies. every year is different and you cant catch whats not there...Having said that, I have 8 fish just at or over 30lbs this year..Last year I had more including a 43lb fish from the beach.2 -30lb fish is very good, I will cocede I have much more time than most to fish...is simple mathematics, my chances go way up because I put in more time and I realize that...I may live line bunker in the morning and then head out with live eels at night, just many opertunities, I also baught a boat this year so I could fish many different ways.

Targeting large fish only has its drawbacks....Its better to relax and let it happen, fishing with the intent of only catching large makes you fish tense... What I do is study my charts....I know the 2 or 3 places I fish most often intamatly, Agter of years on the same pearch you simply just learn when the opertunity for a big fish is there, you know that its worth going on a south east wind and not worth going on a southwest wind. I know that there is a window of time where I have the best shot....Notice , I dont say "I know the fish will be there" all you can do is make sure everything else is right condition wise and then just fish the place you have chose....I also fish my spots at everysingle stage of the tide coming or going, thats how you learn a spot....Some places I have stumbled upon by accident ! I went at the wrong time and caught fish and learned something in the process...If I catch fish at a new place , I look at a chart the next day and it hits me..."Oh thats why" there is a drop off here and deep water with a reef just under water" I also look at which way the currents move along a particular spot, sometimes its more important than the tide, sometimes its only good an hour before dead low or even still There are places where you can only reach the structure you want to fish on a moon low tide..


There is much to learn and its a constant process however, I like to concentrate on two or three spots and stick with them, they produce and I have taken the time to learn them.

When someone tells you they got fish at spot A You want to rush down there, well there is so much more to it than that....when did they catch, what was the wind, how did they aprocach the spot etc..etc..etc...What stage of the tide.

I dont follow tide rules, I only use the tide as it relates to a certain spot, Like I said some spots are good on low, some on high some in between...you have to learn your spots!

What you fish with is important, in my opinion you cannot beat live eels...just cant...over the course of a season nothing is more consistant, its a live bait! My numbers and size of fish should speak to that....I use eels from may until decmebr and have never ever had a problem catching fish...never! On the cape, guys do well with plugs...but , again, I am no expert on cape cod because I dont fish there aften....So what works for them is not for me to judge...I am an expert in Rhode Island and can tell you matter of fact, you can cast plugs till the hooks rust off and not even catch a third of what the live eel will catch...The eel also attracts large fish and all my 40lb and up fish have fell to live eels...Now why would anyone have a problem with that? Its the truth! So, while fishing to some is not about "catching"....it is to me..I dont want to lose sleep for a week straight and get skunked ! I want results and the live eel produces results!

So, its a matter of learning your spots well, if you have fished a spot for a few seasons and got nothing better than a teen size fish..odds are that spot just doesnt produce large....its not your fault...like I said earlier, you cant catch whats not there....I would then move on and learn and try new places. You want certain things, deep water within close range of the shoreline is important to me , load of structure is important to me, its the highways bass use to move and ambush and hide, lots of bottom forage is important to me, lobsters, crabs, etc... It is my belief that large bass would rather grub to eat than chase a baitfish all day long...and just to add to that....eels are fished very slow....

But lastly and to pound it home... YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE TIME...its as simple as that, you cant catch fish staying home...I realize all about peoples work etc.... but still this sport is a matter of time on the water...

Go Catch large!

WTF, my eyes are sore now..
Got writers cramp now??///

[eelman]

Just trying to add something of value dave!

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

Just trying to add something of value dave!

You did, thanks

[NIB]

Originally Posted by libassboy

This question's for #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&/NIB/and a few of u other guys who get many 30's during the season. When you say many how many is that, i mean, i have 2 this year, which is a good season so far for me..not including the late run of OCT and NOV. On AVG how many 30's do u guys generally get in a year?

"u can't catch what aint there."
Well when they are there u have to make the most of it.Normally in a good yr 3 or 4 can be a great yr.I have hot spots.That hold big fish during a time of yr.Usually I can intercept em.One is a jig spot the other I ply with live bunker.The past few yrs here in NJ we have had big baits an big fish together.I have more than 30 fish over 30 lbs this yr.Thats a conservative number.They where there an I made the most of it.before sunrise an after dark every day for a month.never missed a beat.
Sounds like ur right on target to a good/great yr.if the weather holds up an the fall progresses as usuall u should be on ur way.There's some science to it for the most part if they are there u'll get em.Tough to beat a bait with a heartbeat but u can illicit strikes many different ways.Like first light with a pencil popper.They will take this lure out of aggression.It's a excellent big fish bait..

[eelman]

Originally Posted by NIB

"u can't catch what aint there."
Well when they are there u have to make the most of it.Normally in a good yr 3 or 4 can be a great yr.I have hot spots.That hold big fish during a time of yr.Usually I can intercept em.One is a jig spot the other I ply with live bunker.The past few yrs here in NJ we have had big baits an big fish together.I have more than 30 fish over 30 lbs this yr.Thats a conservative number.They where there an I made the most of it.before sunrise an after dark every day for a month.never missed a beat.
Sounds like ur right on target to a good/great yr.if the weather holds up an the fall progresses as usuall u should be on ur way.There's some science to it for the most part if they are there u'll get em.Tough to beat a bait with a heartbeat but u can illicit strikes many different ways.Like first light with a pencil popper.They will take this lure out of aggression.It's a excellent big fish bait..

Your right, however....in surf fishing, you never know whats there or isnt there unless you can see underwater...as long as you have done your homework and put in the time all you can hope for is a fish, the rest is up to the fish gods...and again that goes back to puttin in the time!

[libassboy]

I have tons of respect for alot of u guys, i know what it takes to get a couple 30's..its alot of work..but with the numbers you guys put up it really is amazing!!

[reebok]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& where do you get information about currents, that Eldridge book? Do you recommend having that?

[eelman]

Originally Posted by rebaalk

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& where do you get information about currents, that Eldridge book? Do you recommend having that?

yes thats what I use....Not only recomend it, Its a must have! It has all the currents...Listen, dont get to technical however, I glance at it or make a mental note but, I dont go crazy...its just there in the memroy bank....

[tlapinski]

Bill, if you can find it, there is an even better resource book as to the currents than Eldridge. I think it was last put out in the late 70's, but it is basically a larger version of the current charts that are in the Eldridge. A guy in Gansett I fish with has the only copy I have seen, but it has been very informative and easier to read than the little current charts.