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spence · 11-01-2006, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

If anyone is spinning this its the dems, it's extrodinarily clear from the context that Kerry was NOT talking about Bush, but about the men and women who arte in Iraq, i.e. our armed forces.

That's silly.

Again, if it wasn't Kerry and the Vietnam era stigma he represents to many this wouldn't the story it is. Does anyone really believe Kerry thinks our military is dumb? I sure don't...

Certainly Kerry shouldn't have left himself open as he did, but given the level of campaign rhetoric from both sides this isn't deserving of the press it's getting.

The GOP can't do enough to distract the American people from their record, let's not forget that.

-specne

MakoMike · 11-01-2006, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

That's silly.

Where do you see a reference to Bush in this quote? Remember he is talking to an audience of students.

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq"

If you think the pronoun "you" refers to Bush, you need to go back to English classes.

Clogston29 · 11-01-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MakoMike

Where do you see a reference to Bush in this quote? Remember he is talking to an audience of students.

"You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq"

If you think the pronoun "you" refers to Bush, you need to go back to English classes.

I really think that it was supposed to be a joke/shot and just did not come out even close to right, the way I heard it I thought he was trying to say:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it (unlike our president), if you study hard and you do your homework (unlike our president), and you make an effort to be smart (unlike our president), uh, you, you can do well (unlike our president). If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq (like our president)"

spence · 11-01-2006, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Clogston29

"You know, education, if you make the most of it (unlike our president), if you study hard and you do your homework (unlike our president), and you make an effort to be smart (unlike our president), uh, you, you can do well (unlike our president). If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq (like our president)"

Exactly.

But since the GOP has no record to run on, let's get the base all whipped up into a frenzy over nothing...while 101 US Troops die in October alone with a future trending towards even more violence.

But according to Uffah, I'm just upset because Bush stole the 2000 election.

-spence

MakoMike · 11-01-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Clogston29

I really think that it was supposed to be a joke/shot and just did not come out even close to right, the way I heard it I thought he was trying to say:

"You know, education, if you make the most of it (unlike our president), if you study hard and you do your homework (unlike our president), and you make an effort to be smart (unlike our president), uh, you, you can do well (unlike our president). If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq (like our president)"

Just like the other mind-readers in the media. Where do see the words in the Parenthesies? You dould just as easily say "we should go to war with Iraq because of their weapons of mass destructin (if they had them).

Mike P · 11-01-2006, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spence

Does anyone really believe Kerry thinks our military is dumb? I sure don't...

-specne

I do, at least in part. I think Kerry believes that anyone who has "E-x" instead of "O-x" as their pay grade is dumb

Just like most other ROTC butterbars. And I don't doubt for a second that the 90 day wonder in the White House shares that opinion.

spence · 11-01-2006, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike P

I do, at least in part. I think Kerry believes that anyone who has "E-x" instead of "O-x" as their pay grade is dumb

Just like most other ROTC butterbars. And I don't doubt for a second that the 90 day wonder in the White House shares that opinion.

Was listening to Mike Barnacle on MSNBC this afternoon describe how Kerry broke down in tears while speaking at the funeral for a "lower pay grade" friend of his a few years back.

While the generalization may be true, it may not always be true.

-spence

Canalman · 11-01-2006, 01:24 PM

This is all bull$#!+.... lets think in a lucid manner for about 3 minutes, then we can get back to blowing each other up and having fun.

Do any one of you REALLY think that with what JK has at stake, he would really say something that would infuriate and insult the American troops and ignite battles like this one all over the country? Of course not, he's not witty and he SHOULD have been more careful, but this, like everything else, has been blown WAY out of proportion. I think MOST people can see this... just a bad joke in poor taste, nothing "sir-farts-a-lot" isn't guilty of himself.

"uffah!!" · 11-01-2006, 01:41 PM

Spence, your just a Bush hater, thats all there is to that. He could come and kiss your a$$ and you would complain that his lips were to hard.
I started disliking Dems the day I got off the plane in So.Calif. from Siagon when them a$$holes started calling us baby killers and suckers for doing Uncle Sams killing for him. Dems are no good and never will be any good in my book. Maybe I'm still better,but thats the way I feel!!!

Canalman · 11-01-2006, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by "uffah!!"

Spence, your just a Bush hater, thats all there is to that. He could come and kiss your a$$ and you would complain that his lips were to hard.
I started disliking Dems the day I got off the plane in So.Calif. from Siagon when them a$$holes started calling us baby killers and suckers for doing Uncle Sams killing for him. Dems are no good and never will be any good in my book. Maybe I'm still better,but thats the way I feel!!!

That's not fair and should never have happened, but I'm sure there were reps in there too. Do you vote Rep no matter what? Bush is not a good Rep, he doesn't follow what others before him had and... what's up with this bible BS? I might swirch teams too If I had to endure that... like I said NOT FAIR.

spence · 11-01-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by "uffah!!"

I started disliking Dems the day I got off the plane in So.Calif. from Siagon when them a$$holes started calling us baby killers and suckers for doing Uncle Sams killing for him. Dems are no good and never will be any good in my book. Maybe I'm still better,but thats the way I feel!!!

Well, that was then and this is now. I think most everybody, including Kerry would agree that how a lot of people turned their anger towards the troops was an ugly part of our history.

When Kerry was in front of the Senate I wasn't even a year old, and as such that time is not much of an influence on my thinking, other than perhaps understanding why some still feel the way they do. I don't begrudge Vietnam Vets for having issues with Kerry.

But I will say this in all seriousness. If you link my objections to the policy of the Bush Administration to the Democratic Party to a 35 year old grudge...There's nothing I can say to make you think otherwise. You and Skipper are just not thinking straight.

-spence

Bronko · 11-01-2006, 02:11 PM

ouch...

"uffah!!" · 11-01-2006, 02:14 PM

Oh, I'm thinking straight.I don't agree with what the Rep are doing in Iraq. But I defenitely don't like the Dem way of try to get back into office. They were in for 40years. Where did they take us. Korea,Viet-Nam,Bosinea,Somila. None of those countries attacted us. Excuse the spelling, not a very good speller!! But you do know my meaning!!

Redsoxticket · 11-01-2006, 01:45 PM

There are thousand of soldiers dead from this war. What JK said whether right or wrong has absolutely no value to the overall problem that the US is encountering.
It is pathetic how the media and GOP play this out instead of speaking about the future.

Skitterpop · 11-01-2006, 06:02 PM

Smoke and mirrors to deflect the steady view and contemplation of the sad truth by the masses

Pete_G · 11-01-2006, 07:11 PM

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Smoke and mirrors to deflect the steady view and contemplation of the sad truth by the masses

Agreed. Disgraceful displays by both sides, both Kerry's failed attempt at mocking Bush and the feigned horror by Bush at Kerry's obvious mis-step. But really pointless compared to 104 people not coming home last month.

I haven't watched the evening news yet but I wouldn't doubt that the Kerry story gets twice as much coverage as any American who died in Iraq today, if anyone died today.

Redsoxticket · 11-02-2006, 11:03 AM

Kerry should have said was

You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, then all you can intellectually handle would be is one liners and not real issues like Iraq.

Bronko · 11-01-2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Canalman

This is all bull$#!+.... lets think in a lucid manner for about 3 minutes, then we can get back to blowing each other up and having fun.

Do any one of you REALLY think that with what JK has at stake, he would really say something that would infuriate and insult the American troops and ignite battles like this one all over the country? Of course not, he's not witty and he SHOULD have been more careful, but this, like everything else, has been blown WAY out of proportion. I think MOST people can see this... just a bad joke in poor taste, nothing "sir-farts-a-lot" isn't guilty of himself.

I'd throw the brakes on there Canalman. You are walking on a slippery slope with that line of reasoning. I doubt you'd want to go back and retroactively apply that theory to all scandals.... I mean Mark Foley had a lot to lose...and although in poor taste... they really were ONLY emails...