Men by name only

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

if their social structure enables them to behave in that manner, don't whine about the consequences!

Who's whining?

We're often talking about male dominated societies full of poverty and corruption. It is what it is.

Many people believe empowerment of the woman is a key to transforming Islam.

-spence

[afterhours]

Originally Posted by spence

Who's whining?

We're often talking about male dominated societies full of poverty and corruption. It is what it is.

Many people believe empowerment of the woman is a key to transforming Islam.

-spence

seems like all the PC people and the euro trash all whine whenever those gonadsless sob's hide behind their women and children and some are killed.....McFly........

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

seems like all the PC people and the euro trash all whine whenever those gonadsless sob's hide behind their women and children and some are killed.....McFly........

Don't think PC has anything to do with it, but a more internationalist view of the world does. I'll be perfectly frank in stating that I don't believe most Americans have a very objective view of the Palestenian conflict.

The calls from the EU, Canada etc... for a more balanced approach are based on issues like the USA consistantly using our UN veto over the years to protect Isreal from international condemnation for behavior that has often been illegal, and to be fair at other times quite justified.

Sure there's still anti-semitisim in the EU, but I don't this drives the policy.

-spence

[afterhours]

[QUOTE=spence; I'll be perfectly frank in stating that I don't believe most Americans have a very objective view of the Palestenian conflict.

with the methods they employ how can you expect ANY americans to be objective or supportive of their so called cause? i knew this would lead back to palestenian conflict 101.....

[spence]

Originally Posted by afterhours

with the methods they employ how can you expect ANY americans to be objective or supportive of their so called cause? i knew this would lead back to palestenian conflict 101.....

Many people around the world realize they have been shafted by just about everyone at some time or another. There's plenty of reason for some empathy without endorsing the means of the violent groups.

Arafat was a big part of the problem. It's very unfortunate that things got so much worse before he kicked. Had a more democratic approach taken root before the second Intifada things might look much better today...

-spence

[wheresmy50]

Originally Posted by spence

It's not about being a coward, it's about being effective. Their social structure enables them to behave in that manner, and as such it's simply a means to an end.

I'd think it would take some major balls (or drugs, or brainwashing) to blow yourself up.

Most importantly, how we perceive actions of radical Islamists is vastly different from how other Muslims perceive them. It's easy to write off behavior that we don't connect with as simply crazy, and in doing so we loose sight of what's really going on.

-spence

Thu rub here is that is doesn't matter what your culture thinks. Right and wrong are absolute, and you don't get a pass because your society accepts what you're doing. Otherwise, you have to say that slave owners did nothing wrong, Nazis did nothing wrong, etc. Your logic implies that as long as you get enough idiots to agree with you, you can do whatever you want.

They are murderers, no better or worse than any other.

[Duke41]

Geez,

Spence these guys are just plain bad. How the hell can you rationalize their behavoir. It is just low and scummy. People are opressed all over the world and most of thme don't blow themselves up over it. I think its a cultural thing, those dogs have no respect for woman or themselves. To use mothers and daughters as human sheilds is just f'ed up. Next thing you know they will be using babies and little girls as body armor. The whole thing just blows.

[spence]

Originally Posted by wheresmy50

Your logic implies that as long as you get enough idiots to agree with you, you can do whatever you want.

It doesn't imply that at all...absolutes are relative in context. Slavery was wrong, but many Americans still held in high regard today certainly didn't think so at the time.

-spence