And you wonder why?

[basswipe]

I think some here forget that simply living as an American is a violation of Islam.That's right folks OUR constitution is in violation of Islam and therefore under Islam all Americans are subject to death.

There is no interpretation,the above paragraph is 100% correct.
Believing otherwise has resulted in tens of thousands of non-muslims dying.The very life YOU enjoy is in 100% violation of Islam and nothing you can say will EVER change a Muslim's mind...always remember that you,your wife/kids are subject to death under Islamic law simply because you are an AMERICAN.

Screw it I'm gonna go off.Organized religion in general sucks.I have no problem saying Roman Catholicism sucks too.How easy to forget the slaughter of the Cathars at Montseguer.Look it up sometime.

Oh hey what about the Armenian genocide.The Turks were real cool then eh?

What about Jews under Egypt?What about round number two under Hitler?

Shall I continue?

When is simply believing in God enough?Why do a bunch of stupid rules like Islam or Catholicism have to be followed?

Isn't it enough to just believe?

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

The very life YOU enjoy is in 100% violation of Islam and nothing you can say will EVER change a Muslim's mind...always remember that you,your wife/kids are subject to death under Islamic law simply because you are an AMERICAN.

Wipe, this is seriously flawed...or ignorant. Perhaps you're just trying to get a rise out of me as well. I'll pass.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

Wipe, this is seriously flawed...or ignorant. Perhaps you're just trying to get a rise out of me as well. I'll pass.

-spence

How is this flawed?Explain.

You as a non-persecuted person can NEVER understand.Trust me.Ask my parents,grand-parents,great grand-parents.No one group has been more persecuted by Muslims than Armenians so please stop while you're behind.Sorry Spence but you are treading on insanely thin ground if you possilbly think you know what its like to be religiously persecuted.

Take the time and truly research what organized religion has done for humanity.Everything I posted is 100% true from the Catholic Slaughter of the Cathars to the 3500 American deaths by Muslims on 9/11.

The same question still stands:Isn't enough to just believe?

And yes the life you enjoy IS IN VIOLATION of Islamic law.

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

How is this flawed?Explain.

I'm well aware of what has happened to Armenian people over the years...but I'd also add that those same Turks (who still deny any genocide amazingly enough) have one of the most successful moderate democratic governments in the Islamic world!

And yes the life you enjoy IS IN VIOLATION of Islamic law.

No, it really isn't. Because some cleric or Islamic leader makes an anti-US statement in the hopes of inciting people doesn't mean they speak for Islam.

I'll let the anecdotal evidence speak for itsself. 1.4 BILLION Muslims in the world today and how many are really out to do you and my families harm? A handfull perhaps...

Of the several MILLION Muslims living in the United States, even in Tiverton, Rhode Island...how many have resorted to violence in the name of Islamic Law?

You'd think we'd be dodging stones on the way to Grand Central Market!

Either they aren't very serious about their religion or the statement is flawed.

-spence

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by spence

I'm well aware of what has happened to Armenian people over the years...but I'd also add that those same Turks (who still deny any genocide amazingly enough) have one of the most successful moderate democratic governments in the Islamic world!


No, it really isn't. Because some cleric or Islamic leader makes an anti-US statement in the hopes of inciting people doesn't mean they speak for Islam.

I'll let the anecdotal evidence speak for itsself. 1.4 BILLION Muslims in the world today and how many are really out to do you and my families harm? A handfull perhaps...

Of the several MILLION Muslims living in the United States, even in Tiverton, Rhode Island...how many have resorted to violence in the name of Islamic Law?

You'd think we'd be dodging stones on the way to Grand Central Market!

Either they aren't very serious about their religion or the statement is flawed.

-spence

Are you on Crack?The most successful democratic Islamic government?!Please don't insult me or my ancestors.The Turks "success" as you put it is on the backs and DEATHS of Armenians.Don't speak of what you have no clue about.You are not an Armenian and have never been there and seen how they've lived for the past 100yrs since the Turks committed their genocide.I have seen it.My parents,grand-parents and great grand-parents LIVED it.

You speak of 1.4 billion Muslims.That's 1.4 million people who don't live like you.

Again isn't it just enough to believe?Answer:no.When it comes to organized religion the old adage "its my way or the highway".

I will not respond to this thread again.My suggestion to you Spence is never speak of Armenian Genocide ever again until you speak to an Armenian(who lived it).And if you say you have already then that makes you a...

[spence]

Originally Posted by basswipe

Are you on Crack?The most successful democratic Islamic government?!Please don't insult me or my ancestors.The Turks "success" as you put it is on the backs and DEATHS of Armenians.Don't speak of what you have no clue about.You are not an Armenian and have never been there and seen how they've lived for the past 100yrs since the Turks committed their genocide.I have seen it.My parents,grand-parents and great grand-parents LIVED it.

I didn't say "the most"...I said one of the most...and Turkey is a pretty serious US ally...regardless of what abuse or tragedy the Armenian people have endured under their abuse...this is still the fact and a serious component to current events.

Stating this doesn't lessen the suffering of the Armenian people one bit. Perhaps even it amplifies it as most Americans don't have a clue as to what an Armenian is! Seriously...

You speak of 1.4 billion Muslims.That's 1.4 million people who don't live like you.

It's a lot more than that.

I will not respond to this thread again.My suggestion to you Spence is never speak of Armenian Genocide ever again until you speak to an Armenian(who lived it).And if you say you have already then that makes you a...

I'd add that 1/2 of my family is Jewish and I'm actually a member of the Cherokee tribe. While I'd admit you may have closer ties to such suffering, it's not a monopoly.

But to the point. What happened in Turkey during WWI, while important in it's context, doesn't seem to be a major contributor to recent events.

-spence