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Old 12-04-2006, 03:48 PM   #1
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Old time surf rats swore by three colors. White, light blue and black, why all the confusion? If these fish were so wary you wouldn't see 30-40 lb fish being caught on white topwater plugs, their brains are the size of your little finger's nail...

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Old 12-04-2006, 04:01 PM   #2
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how about clear ? let the surrounding make the color . Im not sure color matters since fish feed from below but I like the colors . I see sounds and hear colors . and voices , voices I hear voices and I dont want to do what they are telling me . I will have to ignore Igor cause he wants me to do bad things
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Old 12-04-2006, 04:06 PM   #3
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Most plugs have white bellies and that is all they see in my opinion! The action and the bottom of the plug! Like Flap says....at night just a silhouette!

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Old 12-04-2006, 07:27 PM   #4
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Most plugs have white bellies and that is all they see in my opinion! The action and the bottom of the plug! Like Flap says....at night just a silhouette!
Look at a plug from below in the water and you'll see this is not completely true. Fisheye made a post a while back, and I stumbled on to the same thing a few years back while snorkeling. Bigfish, use the search feature...

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Old 12-04-2006, 07:35 PM   #5
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Right i think it was called Bells window or something like that.
Basically the top of the water from below has a mirror effect.So when u look at a plug that is just below the surface u actually see 2 images one of the plug an one from it's reflection from above.In essence the top color of a plug can be important.That is as long as these fish with pinkie nail brains that only a few have mastered in a hundred yrs.buy into it.

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Old 12-04-2006, 07:42 PM   #6
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Old 12-04-2006, 10:07 PM   #7
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See Dave Ross's book "The Fisherman's Ocean" he has th best description of Snell's Window in it. Every saltwarer fisherman should own a copy ( me and Numbskull kinda helped with the book)

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Old 12-04-2006, 10:32 PM   #8
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Right i think it was called Bells window or something like that.
Basically the top of the water from below has a mirror effect.So when u look at a plug that is just below the surface u actually see 2 images one of the plug an one from it's reflection from above.In essence the top color of a plug can be important.That is as long as these fish with pinkie nail brains that only a few have mastered in a hundred yrs.buy into it.
ya but....um that may be true for humans...but how about a fish...there is no way at all of knowing none..how a human sees a plug is most likely a 180 on how a fish sees it....You want some Revalation be all to end all "Plug Bible" of an article...the sad truth is that will never happen because no one in the universe knows how or what a fish sees and why exactly they strike etc..Its all talking heads, everyone unless they are a fish is just selling snake oil..If it works it works..it is what it is...The Whys?? only fish know and they take that to there grave.

Far to many people put fish on Human terms its unfortunate because there not humans.

One thing in my mind is what I feel to be true...its the fisherman that catches the fish...Not the plug. There can never be a definative book on plugging because there is not anyone who could write that. Thats why its called fishing not catching. If you use Black and it works then stick with black...whatever...But if you think the guy selling the plug with gold leaf engravings is going to somehow make a person a better fisherman...no way...

I think a good bit of advice would be to learn how to fish before decking out a plug bag with all the fancy plugs...I have caught plenty of good size bass on dannies that had no paint job right of the lathe..At the mouth of a certain river, they caught as well as the colored plugs no difference at all !

"Break though study" "Fish can see this at so many feet " at 10 feet down red turns white" its all bull.......NO ONE KNOWS....

I know first hand the sluggo works great in all black all the time, however many cannot duplicte steves success and get frustrated and toss in the towell, that tells me its the fisherman, its a knack, its a feel, you either have it or you dont, and yes, it works that same way with an eel or a yo-yoed bunker...some people are just good at what they do, put the same plug in two different fishermans hands and the results will be different.

Keep the colors basic, practice fishing the chosen plug and dont have a meltdown over plug colors..........

And hey, when all else fails...try the lowely eel, they work sometimes and its like plugging...the best of both worlds a live bait you "plug" and its already got your two basic colors black and white...But I know this is not the place for eel talk.......
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Old 12-04-2006, 11:16 PM   #9
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Give me a GOOD plug - no paint - it will catch fish. Most of my old Gibbs didn't have any paint left and they were hot - I was afraid to put paint on them for fear they'd lose their "karma". I'd like to see some of the builders "stain" their plugs. Now that would be different.

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Old 12-07-2006, 08:11 AM   #10
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ya but....um that may be true for humans...but how about a fish...there is no way at all of knowing none..how a human sees a plug is most likely a 180 on how a fish sees it....You want some Revalation be all to end all "Plug Bible" of an article...the sad truth is that will never happen because no one in the universe knows how or what a fish sees and why exactly they strike etc..Its all talking heads, everyone unless they are a fish is just selling snake oil..If it works it works..it is what it is...The Whys?? only fish know and they take that to there grave.

Far to many people put fish on Human terms its unfortunate because there not humans.

One thing in my mind is what I feel to be true...its the fisherman that catches the fish...Not the plug. There can never be a definative book on plugging because there is not anyone who could write that. Thats why its called fishing not catching. If you use Black and it works then stick with black...whatever...But if you think the guy selling the plug with gold leaf engravings is going to somehow make a person a better fisherman...no way...

I think a good bit of advice would be to learn how to fish before decking out a plug bag with all the fancy plugs...I have caught plenty of good size bass on dannies that had no paint job right of the lathe..At the mouth of a certain river, they caught as well as the colored plugs no difference at all !

"Break though study" "Fish can see this at so many feet " at 10 feet down red turns white" its all bull.......NO ONE KNOWS....

I know first hand the sluggo works great in all black all the time, however many cannot duplicte steves success and get frustrated and toss in the towell, that tells me its the fisherman, its a knack, its a feel, you either have it or you dont, and yes, it works that same way with an eel or a yo-yoed bunker...some people are just good at what they do, put the same plug in two different fishermans hands and the results will be different.

Keep the colors basic, practice fishing the chosen plug and dont have a meltdown over plug colors..........

And hey, when all else fails...try the lowely eel, they work sometimes and its like plugging...the best of both worlds a live bait you "plug" and its already got your two basic colors black and white...But I know this is not the place for eel talk.......

Bill, I love ur simplistic veiw on things.There's alot to be said in keeping things simple.No one can argue with ur success..
I wish I could be like that but I'm a plug junkie..
Thats right I admit it..
My name is Tony an I'm a Plug Junkie..
I wonder if our fore fathers thought in simplistic terms what our world would be like today.Well we would not have gone to the moon an had all of the great inventions that have come with it. Hell we would probably still cook our clubbed meals over a open fire.
It's so simple, even a Canalman can do it..
Sorry Dave a little pun for fun..

Perhaps I like to think about things.I happened to find the snells window thing very interesting.Like U I am not sure what it means to a bass.I like to think they DO see the top of the plug..See my glass is half full..I like keep a open mind to new things.Sure I run the risk of making it harder than it is.I believe as a fisherman, U should always be thinking about what the fish do, see, feel, smell.All those things that might help us catch.It's what we do.When i stop thinkin i'll just pitch a bait pole.
As far a defintive plug article. One could be written to go thru the whens an why's of different styles of plugs. It could be a book.Dave Manzi did a excellent article.One of the best I have ever read on needle fish.He has had some great post's on the subject also.I could do it but they don't have enough money for all of my stuff...
Any one worth there salt knows sometimes color makes little difference.This summer we where getting good bass over 30 lbs on plain jigs.A ball jig no hair no paint..???
Good surfcaster's also know that there are times if u don't have the right color or style u ain't getting squat.If fish are color blind or its dark an they can't see.How do u explain that.Perahaps they have Infa red night vision.There are scientists that spent endless hrs investigating the cones or whatever in the eye of certain specie's of fish to determine what they might or might not see.I think Mike Laptew's is great in makin this clearer for us.In the end it's Like u said we don't know we ain't fish an they ain't talkin...
I agree for a beginner keeping it simple is a must.Work ur way thru a few designs.A few different models to cover most of the water collum.Learn em well, that is ur best bet.I have been saying it for yrs also.Keep ur color selection simple a few dark a few light.It is more important u know what to do with ur offernig an when to present it than color...
I will add my to my thought's this...
This is not my dad's fishery.There are 1000 times more fisherman today.Sometimes it's not as simple as black or white..I like to try things to keep me ahead of the pack.When u do that u learn what the fish tell ya..Thats when they talk.An I'm All ears.. It is what has worked for me.I'm pretty happy with my results.
To each there own..

As far as plugs are concerned..
I still have em in all colors of the rainbow..An
It does make me feel good...'
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And I'mo a plugo junkio..

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Look at a plug from below in the water and you'll see this is not completely true. Fisheye made a post a while back, and I stumbled on to the same thing a few years back while snorkeling. Bigfish, use the search feature...
Fisheyes pics were day time shots.

Why even try.........
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