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Old 12-30-2006, 08:38 AM   #1
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An Inconvenient Truth

Anyone seen this movie? Also check out the article below. Eye-opening to say the least. I am gonna rent this movie.

http://www.climatecrisis.net/




Ice mass snaps free from Canada's arctic
By ROB GILLIES, Associated Press Writer
49 minutes ago

TORONTO - A giant ice shelf the size of 11,000 football fields has snapped free from Canada's Arctic, scientists said. The mass of ice broke clear 16 months ago from the coast of Ellesmere Island, about 497 miles south of the North Pole, but no one was present to see it in Canada's remote north. Scientists using satellite images later noticed that it became a newly formed ice island in just an hour and left a trail of icy boulders floating in its wake.

Warwick Vincent of Laval University, who studies Arctic conditions, traveled to the newly formed ice island and could not believe what he saw.

"This is a dramatic and disturbing event. It shows that we are loosing remarkable features of the Canadian North that have been in place for many thousands of years. We are crossing climate thresholds, and these may signal the onset of accelerated change ahead," Vincent said Thursday.

In 10 years of working in the region he has never seen such a dramatic loss of sea ice, he said.

The collapse was so powerful that earthquake monitors 155 miles away picked up tremors from it.

The Ayles Ice Shelf, roughly 41 square miles in area, was one of six major ice shelves remaining in Canada's Arctic.

Scientists say it is the largest event of its kind in Canada in 30 years and point their fingers at climate change as a major contributing factor.
"It is consistent with climate change," Vincent said, adding that the remaining ice shelves are 90 percent smaller than when they were first discovered in 1906.

"We aren't able to connect all of the dots ... but unusually warm temperatures definitely played a major role."

Laurie Weir, who monitors ice conditions for the Canadian Ice Service, was poring over satellite images in 2005 when she noticed that the shelf had split and separated.

Weir notified Luke Copland, head of the new global ice lab at the University of Ottawa, who initiated an effort to find out what happened.

Using U.S. and Canadian satellite images, as well as data from seismic monitors, Copland discovered that the ice shelf collapsed in the early afternoon of Aug. 13, 2005.

"What surprised us was how quickly it happened," Copland said. "It's pretty alarming. Even 10 years ago scientists assumed that when global warming changes occur that it would happen gradually so that perhaps we expected these ice shelves just to melt away quite slowly, but the big surprise is that for one they are going, but secondly that when they do go, they just go suddenly, it's all at once, in a span of an hour."

Within days, the floating ice shelf had drifted a few miles offshore. It traveled west for 31 miles until it finally froze into the sea ice in the early winter.

The Canadian ice shelves are packed with ancient ice that dates back over 3000 years. They float on the sea but are connected to land.

Derek Mueller, a polar researcher with Vincent's team, said the ice shelves get weaker and weaker as the temperature rises. He visited Ellesmere's Ward Hunt Ice Shelf in 2002 and noticed it had cracked in half.

"We're losing our ice shelves and this a feature of the landscape that is in danger of disappearing altogether from Canada," Mueller said. "In the global perspective Antarctica has many ice shelves bigger than this one, but then there is the idea that these are indicators of climate change."

The spring thaw may bring another concern as the warming temperatures could release the ice shelf from its Arctic grip. Prevailing winds could then send the ice island southwards, deep into the Beaufort Sea.

"Over the next few years this ice island could drift into populated shipping routes," Weir said. "There's significant oil and gas development in this region as well, so we'll have to keep monitoring its location over the next few years."

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Old 12-30-2006, 08:54 AM   #2
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this movie is scarey. seems to confirm ideas of the american "consumer" attitude and how much alot of us don't appreciate the earth we live on. i just saw the movie last week.

however i did hear that al gore embellished some facts and his time tables. i'd really like to read some more republican rebutles on the movie.

regardless is sad to see how much alot of the glaciers and state parks changed over the past 2 or3 generations.

i think we just broke a record for the warmest day in december ever this week.
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Old 12-30-2006, 10:25 AM   #3
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however i did hear that al gore embellished some facts and his time tables. i'd really like to read some more republican rebutles on the movie.
The LAST thing I would want is to see Republican rebuttles, or Democrat esposusings for that matter. What I would like to see is the result of real scientific discourse on this. The Yeas and Nays get in the ring, duke it out, and come out with the best course on the safe side of all of this....

Hey, I might be waterfront in a few hundred years. Alsways wanted waterfront. But I don't want the earth to be crippled in the process.

One of these days I'll get off my arse and watch it...

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Old 12-30-2006, 10:31 AM   #4
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John, the Earth has survived bigger disasters than us, it won't get crippled, we will. I think that instead of trying to save the Planet, we should try to save ourselves......from ourselves.

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Old 12-30-2006, 10:39 AM   #5
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I think that instead of trying to save the Planet, we should try to save ourselves......from ourselves.
Yup. We never learn.

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Old 12-30-2006, 10:42 AM   #6
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The LAST thing I would want is to see Republican rebuttles, or Democrat esposusings for that matter. What I would like to see is the result of real scientific discourse on this.
Exactly..
look at the IPCC report, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
Multi-national so not just US and most of the best minds on climate change...

2500+ Reviewers
800+ contributing authors
450+ lead authors
130 countries...

http://www.ipcc.ch/

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