e bay beachmaster danny bid @ $91

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Krispy

You'd think with all these new builders out there that people would have everything they want, but no ones made anything of genuine value during this wood plug rebirth, except for the BM SS needle.
How many Danny swimmers before ya choke the market w/ pretty paint jobs?

This is a bit harsh, I think. Spooks were nonexistent before guys started cranking out customs, and the supply of metal lip swimming options (not to mention big darters) in the 3 oz size was also very sparse. The increase in the availability of different style needles for different conditions is also a big plus. Where could you get a jointed eel 5 years ago? How about a surfster? Although I agree the world has seen enough 2 oz Danny clones, or even worse these Lefty clones, it is a bit strained to argue that there is little new of "genuine value" available today for those who prefer to fish big plugs.

[caumsett]

Numbskull,

Nice avatar...

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by numbskull

This is a bit harsh, I think. Spooks were nonexistent before guys started cranking out customs, and the supply of metal lip swimming options (not to mention big darters) in the 3 oz size was also very sparse. The increase in the availability of different style needles for different conditions is also a big plus. Where could you get a jointed eel 5 years ago? How about a surfster? Although I agree the world has seen enough 2 oz Danny clones, or even worse these Lefty clones, it is a bit strained to argue that there is little new of "genuine value" available today for those who prefer to fish big plugs.

Thats true, I forgot Tattoo's Spook was a unique entrant to the market and started a new genre for other builders
to knockoff. For me its a non plug tho, breaks 2 of the 10 commandements of surfcasting, daytime plug and on the surface.
Whatever Mike did recently to the 3oz darter is great and I bought 1 of his 2oz darters w/ similar expectations for next season. Definitely plugs that were needed.

my arse - better builders than ever right now turning out the highest quality ever!

Yeah, but what are the new builders making?? Same thing as 20 other new guys.

[afterhours]

i build my plugs for myself first of all and like to fish pencils, spooks, needles, swimmers, etc. so that's what i make while adding my take on these. varity is good and each builder adds his own uniqeness to his plugs. genuine value to me is fish catching ability and a very high level of workmanship and the overall quality of a plug. spook type plugs have been around for a long, long, time and no two that i know are the same ie: body shape, weighting, and casting traits. btw- i for one enjoy catching 20-30# stripers in the middle of the day on spook type plugs. try it you may like it

[Krispy]

show me the slips

[SeaWolf]

interesting read...

to comment on the thread overall, i personally dont care what a lure cost, to a degree, but do care how it helps me catch fish. if i need to spend $25-30 for a lure that is reliable, catches fish, is consistant, and i never need to worry about tuning each new lure or reviewing the package for errors in that particular lure, i'll do it. some lures are that unique in their ability to catch fish or their ability to fish in conditions where others dont work, dont work well enough, or designed for just those unique conditions. if a lure does that for you, isn't it worth the money?

i catch a lot of fish on eels, jigs, soft plastics, and hard plastics. but, there are times that i either want to fish lures or lures are the only option. many of our "garage lure builders" offer unique lures for special conditions i might be faced with or offer better quality lures of those that were or are common today, such as danny's, atom 40s, pikies, etc. many of these "copied" lures are made much better with better sealers, better paints, better hooks and hardware, eyes, etc.

are there a lot of "garage lure builders" on the maret today? sure. will many continue to be here a year or 5 down the road? time will tell. either way, the amount of builders has forced the prices to increase, but they have also caused a major increase in lure quality in both hardware, craftsmanship, and consistency. everyone wants to be better or offer better options than their competitor. who wins? the buyer as you now have many more options than you did 10 years ago and many are as much of a work of art as a winner in the water w/ their results. eventually, this flood will cause the prices to stabilize and even fall slightly. competition is always a good thing.

who causes prices to jump on lures? typically it's the buyer. if lure builder A can sell his lure for $25 and it sells out, isn't it good business to keep selling it at that price as they are selling out and making money? but, most of that markup is not by the builder as much the dealer. ebay is a whole different animal. many of the lures that are selling for high prices today are no longer produced or are hard to get. again, if you can get $90 on ebay for a currently produced lure, more power to you.

krispy, i used to have the same opinion as you are fishing in the daytime and surface lures at night. i've been schooled a couple times by friend's fishing a spook at daytime when i would rather fish something else. i learned quickly. i've also fished the spook at night and was suprised at my results when other lures simply were not working. an angler that can adapt and still produce will earn my respect. it can be a spook, popper, or tin at night time, modified custom lure, or an old technique of yesteryear.

[afterhours]

how about some pic's of 20's? i don't kill all my fish.....especially large, just ask the guys i fish with- they'll tell you.

[afterhours]

...or

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Krispy

For me its a non plug tho, breaks 2 of the 10 commandements of surfcasting, daytime plug and on the surface.

OK

[JHABS]

If Bobbys Plugs bring that kind of dollars, Then to Beach Master........................Its Quaility, Commitment, and Fish Catching ability of Plugs that bring on the $$$$$$$$$$.And people will pay for That...... Also this thread is about BM Plugs not everyone elses..............

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by JHABS

If Bobbys Plugs bring that kind of dollars, Then to Beach Master........................Its Quaility, Commitment, and Fish Catching ability of Plugs that bring on the $$$$$$$$$$.And people will pay for That...... Also this thread is about BM Plugs not everyone elses..............

Actually, the only thing that brings on the $$$$$$$$$$$ is high demand and short supply. Quality, commitment, and fishcatching ability are certainly important, but so are scarcity and hype. The latter, in particular, has gone through the roof regarding Beachmaster plugs, hence the wild escalation in prices for models presently unavailable. The growing perception that his plugs are worth collecting (rather than fishing) also is becoming a factor. I, for one, have mixed feelings about this trend. I have fished his plugs for @20 years with great confidence. I have extras in reserve, but I am starting to doubt those will ever see the use for which they were intended. Money certainly messes with your mind.

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by numbskull

I have extras in reserve, but I am starting to doubt those will ever see the use for which they were intended. Money certainly messes with your mind.

It hasn't changed my mind. My back up Beachmasters are lined up like soldiers ready to fish. Same for my rare and/or signed Habs. They're all going fishing if the ones currently in service go down...

[NIGHT STRIKES]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

It hasn't changed my mind. My back up Beachmasters are lined up like soldiers ready to fish. Same for my rare and/or signed Habs. They're all going fishing if the ones currently in service go down...

Sure, I mean why not fish them.. Thats their intention to "get wet"
I didn't purchased a VS to sit on a shelf nor the custom lami to just look at.. I bought a custom plug that works to fish with, I mean if I was going bait fishing I might spend close to $20.00 if not more for a days outing supply of Clams,Fresh Bunker and Eels based on the cost of bait these days...

I even have some Pichney Conrads in the rotation during the season.
But I have come to the conclusion that these plugs in particular should
be collected and I do have a shadowbox with a few different styles and color patterns on display in the family room now.
Next to some Lefty's ;-)

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by Krispy

Yeah, but what are the new builders making?? Same thing as 20 other new guys.

But this has always been true. Innovation in saltwater plugs is very rare. Evolution is more the norm.

[NIGHT STRIKES]

caumsett,

Thanks for posting and giving your thoughts and reasoning in regards to this topic,appreciate it....
.And welcome to S-B.com....

Question for you though, do you really plan on fishing the Musso's and Pichney's after dropping that kind of cash on them,or will those be put away as collectible's ? I know I feel nuts using some of the plugs that I spent plenty on and pray that a yellow eyed demon doesn't come along but couldn't imagine it on your scale....

Also , do I have a chance at the current Black/Gold Danny ?

[caumsett]

Originally Posted by NIGHT STRIKES

caumsett,

Thanks for posting and giving your thoughts and reasoning in regards to this topic,appreciate it....
.And welcome to S-B.com....
Question for you though, do you really plan on fishing the Musso's and Pichney's after dropping that kind of cash on them,or will those be put away as collectible's ? I know I feel nuts using some of the plugs that I spent plenty on and pray that a yellow eyed demon doesn't come along but couldn't imagine it on your scale....

Thanks, glad to be aboard. I have fished my Pinchneys very hard over the past few years but in retrospect I am starting to have a change of heart. There are some that are so unique that I doubt will ever be copied well enough where I have the confidence to fish the clone, so those will probably keep seeing the salt. However, there are others (Dannys come to mind) that I have enough confidence can be either met or beaten by whatever BM Dannys I have, so these might wind up leaving my hands…decisions, decisions!!!

Originally Posted by NIGHT STRIKES

…Also , do I have a chance at the current Black/Gold Danny ?

Let me think about it a little bit....

[jimmy z]

Did someone call? Maybe they want to have a blast.lol Chill out dude!