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Old 12-29-2006, 10:22 AM   #1
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Congressman-elect Ellison to be sworn in on Quaran

WTF? This is America right?



The Obama nightmare continues.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:30 AM   #2
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There seems to be a pretty clear global pattern being set.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:31 AM   #3
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Good lord, the irony of that post if deafening

You guys aren't serious are you?

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Old 12-29-2006, 10:34 AM   #4
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Good lord, the irony of that post if deafening

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Yeah the irony is clear, but one cant help but take notice.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:37 AM   #5
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Yeah the irony is clear, but one cant help but take notice.
Of what? Please dig yourself a nice deep hole

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Old 12-29-2006, 10:46 AM   #6
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The fact that Muslims are currently fighting in 14 countries and numerous small islands to impose Islamic Law coupled withh the fact that we have a congressman choosing to swear in on the Koran that some choose to use as their handbook to defeat the infidels isn't noteworthy? Come on Spence, if your quest for political correctness has you too blind to consider the situation your problem is large. I'm not condemning the religion but it clearly is worthy of some thought.
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Old 12-29-2006, 10:55 AM   #7
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I'm not condemning the religion but it clearly is worthy of some thought.
No, you certainly are. Perhaps it's not intentional.

He's swearing in on the Koran in his private ceremony because he's not a CHRISTIAN.

As a member of Congress he's giving his oath to uphold the US Constitution along with the rest of the House.

Ellison is just as much a red blooded American as you or I.

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Old 12-29-2006, 10:55 AM   #8
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I think you might find that over the years, the Holy Bible has been used as the inspiration for quite of bit of bloodshed itself.

Dont blame the religion, blame the interpretation of it. Id be more concerned if he was forced to swear in on a bible.


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The fact that Muslims are currently fighting in 14 countries and numerous small islands to impose Islamic Law coupled withh the fact that we have a congressman choosing to swear in on the Koran that some choose to use as their handbook to defeat the infidels isn't noteworthy? Come on Spence, if your quest for political correctness has you too blind to consider the situation your problem is large. I'm not condemning the religion but it clearly is worthy of some thought.

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Old 12-29-2006, 11:12 AM   #9
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Would you rather him swear on the Bible which doesn't mean to him what the Quoran does? Should a Jewish congressman swear on the bible as well? Or in that case is it OK for the Torah?

If this guys is an idiot he probably won't get re-elected. If he is decent than perhaps he will and perhaps people will have formed a more favorable opinion...

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Old 12-29-2006, 12:01 PM   #10
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If this guys is an idiot he probably won't get re-elected. If he is decent than perhaps he will and perhaps people will have formed a more favorable opinion...
Very true. I've seen him in a few interviews...he sounded like a dope the first time I saw him and much better the second.

But given how low the bar is set in the House, I'd say he's probably in the majority

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Old 12-29-2006, 12:05 PM   #11
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Would you rather him swear on the Bible which doesn't mean to him what the Quoran does? Should a Jewish congressman swear on the bible as well? Or in that case is it OK for the Torah?

If this guys is an idiot he probably won't get re-elected. If he is decent than perhaps he will and perhaps people will have formed a more favorable opinion...
Personally I dont care if he swears in on a box of corn flakes but if he did I wouldn't be afraid to talk about for fear of offending corn.
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Old 12-29-2006, 12:09 PM   #12
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Personally I dont care if he swears in on a box of corn flakes but if he did I wouldn't be afraid to talk about for fear of offending corn.
How appropriate.

Make a statement based on a stereotype, then whine about political correctness which came about because of bigotry based on stereotypes!

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Old 12-29-2006, 12:20 PM   #13
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How appropriate.

Make a statement based on a stereotype, then whine about political correctness which came about because of bigotry based on stereotypes!

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LMAO.........Your grasping there Spence. But if you want me to feed your hunger for real debate I'll think up something that really is inflammatory to feed you.
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Old 12-29-2006, 12:22 PM   #14
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There seems to be a pretty clear global pattern being set.
yea, Muslims participating in democratic processes

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Old 12-29-2006, 01:23 PM   #15
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At least he is swearing on a religous book. Remember the woman from Texas that went missing several years ago the atheist Madelyn Murry OHair. Wasn't she a congresswoman or something. Or was she just another nut?

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Old 01-20-2007, 12:04 PM   #16
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What Thomas Jefferson learned
from the Muslim book of jihad

By Ted Sampley
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January 2007
Democrat Keith Ellison is now officially the first Muslim United States congressman. True to his pledge, he placed his hand on the Quran, the Muslim book of jihad and pledged his allegiance to the United States during his ceremonial swearing-in.



Capitol Hill staff said Ellison's swearing-in photo opportunity drew more media than they had ever seen in the history of the U.S. House. Ellison represents the 5th Congressional District of Minnesota.



The Quran Ellison used was no ordinary book. It once belonged to Thomas Jefferson, third president of the United States and one of America's founding fathers. Ellison borrowed it from the Rare Book Section of the Library of Congress. It was one of the 6,500 Jefferson books archived in the library.



Ellison, who was born in Detroit and converted to Islam while in college, said he chose to use Jefferson's Quran because it showed that "a visionary like Jefferson" believed that wisdom could be gleaned from many sources.



There is no doubt Ellison was right about Jefferson believing wisdom could be "gleaned" from the Muslim Quran. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic "Barbary" states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.



Ellison's use of Jefferson's Quran as a prop illuminates a subject once well-known in the history of the United States, but, which today, is mostly forgotten - the Muslim pirate slavers who over many centuries enslaved millions of Africans and tens of thousands of Christian Europeans and Americans in the Islamic "Barbary" states.



Over the course of 10 centuries, Muslim pirates cruised the African and Mediterranean coastline, pillaging villages and seizing slaves.



The taking of slaves in pre-dawn raids on unsuspecting coastal villages had a high casualty rate. It was typical of Muslim raiders to kill off as many of the "non-Muslim" older men and women as possible so the preferred "booty" of only young women and children could be collected.



Young non-Muslim women were targeted because of their value as concubines in Islamic markets. Islamic law provides for the sexual interests of Muslim men by allowing them to take as many as four wives at one time and to have as many concubines as their fortunes allow.



Boys, as young as 9 or 10 years old, were often mutilated to create eunuchs who would bring higher prices in the slave markets of the Middle East. Muslim slave traders created "eunuch stations" along major African slave routes so the necessary surgery could be performed. It was estimated that only a small number of the boys subjected to the mutilation survived after the surgery.



When American colonists rebelled against British rule in 1776, American merchant ships lost Royal Navy protection. With no American Navy for protection, American ships were attacked and their Christian crews enslaved by Muslim pirates operating under the control of the "Dey of Algiers"--an Islamist warlord ruling Algeria.



Because American commerce in the Mediterranean was being destroyed by the pirates, the Continental Congress agreed in 1784 to negotiate treaties with the four Barbary States. Congress appointed a special commission consisting of John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin, to oversee the negotiations.



Lacking the ability to protect its merchant ships in the Mediterranean, the new America government tried to appease the Muslim slavers by agreeing to pay tribute and ransoms in order to retrieve seized American ships and buy the freedom of enslaved sailors.



Adams argued in favor of paying tribute as the cheapest way to get American commerce in the Mediterranean moving again. Jefferson was opposed. He believed there would be no end to the demands for tribute and wanted matters settled "through the medium of war." He proposed a league of trading nations to force an end to Muslim piracy.



In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the "Dey of Algiers" ambassador to Britain.



The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease.

During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.



In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."



For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800.



Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend "millions for defense but not one cent for tribute," Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.



In 1805, American Marines marched across the dessert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves.



During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy.



Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line, "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea."



It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates. Jefferson had been right. The "medium of war" was the only way to put and end to the Muslim problem.



Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a "visionary" wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim book of jihad.
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+10 for Osama, you sure are his beotch ain't ya?

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Old 01-20-2007, 03:00 PM   #18
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+10 for Osama, you sure are his beotch ain't ya?

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Yeah I'm sure he gets great pleasure when their History of violence and atrocity is revealed...... Oh I get it......the Bizarro thing again.
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Yeah I'm sure he gets great pleasure when their History of violence and atrocity is revealed......
Most cultures have a violent history, including our own.

Evil in the name of greed or god is still evil.

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