Menhaden Bill introduced

[Nebe]

redsox ticket- i didnt watch the progrm and out of respect for steve and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, i wont say too much about where, but Steve's excellent surf fishing was done with the aid of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s boat and going to areas as close to where the pogies were. He being the wise surfcaster quickly adapted.

[Nebe]

too funny. I admit that I fished with tunnel vision as well.

[Krispy]

Originally Posted by DZ

Bill,
Please don't get me wrong Bill. I know where you're coming from on this.
More large bunker will mean more dead cows - plain and simple.
It's always been my priority to protect large bass. To put a hurting on a commercial guy by hiding behind an environmental smoke screen so that sport fishermen can have all the pogies is wrong. If RISAA really wanted to protect the pogies so they can protect the bay then they should try and ban the taking of pogies by anyone.
Just my opinion.
DZ

Works both ways. More bunker means more big fish.
Your also talking about 1 commercial venture reaping the reward$ at the expense of the entire fishing community. Comm. fishers and recs alike. Also, keep in mind alot of other species benefit from bunker other than SB

[JohnR]

Hi Ed

I think the shore anglers will benefit from this greatly as well. I think the Bay will benefit greatly - forget about the bass.

Will shore and boat recs snagging pogies amount to one day's haul from Ark? Probably not. It probably would equal how much Ark gives away in "PR" only...

Personally I think it's a good thing for just about everyone...

[riverrat2]

I don't think local tackle shops will suffer greatly due to the fact that the amount of profit on fresh bait is usually very small. I work at a tackle shop and although it is not in RI we do keep fresh pogies in the shop whenever possible. We would be making maybe around $.50 on each fresh pogie sold. I say maybe because the price of fresh bait is more than just how much you pay for each pogie but also the amount of hours that are spent finding them and picking them up. In the end the tackle shop is not making a killing on fresh pogies at all but rather supplies them simply to satisfy the customer. Also here in Mass we don't have any large commercial pogie fishery that I know of, and most tackle shops that get fresh pogies are getting them from a few local guys that get them with throw nets. Protecting the pogies will bring nothing but good things. I think the fact that people are complaing about more big fish being killed or less big fish in there local spots is absolutely ridiculous. If more Big Fish are being killed doesnt that equate to more big fish period?

[ThomCat]

"If RISAA really wanted to protect the pogies so they can protect the bay then they should try and ban the taking of pogies by anyone.
Just my opinion."
DZ

Sometimes these things get way out of control. It took years for Steve M. and the RISAA crew to get anyone to even address this situation at all. To read a quote like the one above illustrates how many people are not familiar with how the "system" works. When I was on the RISAA board of directors a few years back I too was rather hotheaded and wanted to take "big bites" like taking on the whole comm. pogy fishing industry.
To try something like this is an excersise in futility. To try to address it in small doses like the Bay for starts is the much more prudent and effective way to go. Naby steps, man, baby step....TC

[fishaholic18]

Wow, I can't believe what I'm reading. Bill is right, Nuts! Infact, I'm going nuts reading this. How can anyone say protecting the Pogies is a bad thing?

OK, too many pogies=too many BIG bass for anglers to kill=No good?!!??

OK, so does this make sense- Less Pogies=Less BIG bass for anglers to kill=Good??!!??

Surfcasting will be horrible if there are too many Pogies??
Are you kidding me?

None of it makes sense to me.

Talk about being hypocritical...These are the same guys who have been complaining right along-on this very site-about the lack of Pogies/Bait.

Kind of a Catch22 if ya ask me. I say save the resource is the way to go.

[Nebe]

F-18 i am not saying its bad at all. What i am trying to say is that it will make the bass school up in small areas and in most cases it will be not accessable from shore. thats all.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Nebe

F-18 i am not saying its bad at all. What i am trying to say is that it will make the bass school up in small areas and in most cases it will be not accessable from shore. thats all.

How's that Mako doing? Problem solved..

[eelman]

Originally Posted by fishaholic18

How's that Mako doing? Problem solved..

Mako=assesability=problem solved..

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

F-18 i am not saying its bad at all. What i am trying to say is that it will make the bass school up in small areas and in most cases it will be not accessable from shore. thats all.

Small areas?? the bay isnt that small and, when there were loads of pogies before, salt pond was full of them along with Ctown and quanny and strewn all along the shorelines...In the fall there was a place that Steve reffered to as the "world series hole" because it was always good around that time, it was good because of the hoards of bunker coming out of the bay in the fall...its a place you know...it has never been the same since...directly due to the bunker.

[Canalman]

I guarantee you I can find fish when the bass are pounding bunker... somewhere else, where the bunker are not. Maybe I won't find blitzes or all monsters... but I'll do fine and I'll still get my 30-40 pound fish... Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach.

[fishaholic18]

Hi Bill...

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Canalman

I guarantee you I can find fish when the bass are pounding bunker... somewhere else, where the bunker are not. Maybe I won't find blitzes or all monsters... but I'll do fine and I'll still get my requisite 30-40 pound fish... Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach.

"Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach"

Maybe not, but most will be especially the fat hungry ones ..And they dont tend to be in the "middle" exactly....in fact most were in 7 foot of water or less

In all honesty, this is good for everybody exept dave who will pursue his linesides very far away from any bunker and stalk the shorelines with cat-like swiftness pouncing on lean hungry malnutrishuned bass that were to dumb to follow the food sourse...and only in Raging heavy turbulant seas

Billy on the other hand will be content slipping along the calm shorelines tossing lively bunker along same and in between sips on the Budweiser can take just enough time to set the 3/0 trebble in the maw of a large fat well fed bass..and do all this between the hours of 10am to 1pm and get his sleep at night

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

"Every bass in the ocean will NOT be eating bunker in the middle of the bay where I cannot reach"

Maybe not, but most will be especially the fat hungry ones ..And they dont tend to be in the "middle" exactly....in fact most were in 7 foot of water or less

In all honesty, this is good for everybody exept dave who will pursue his linesides very far away from any bunker and stalk the shorelines with cat-like swiftness pouncing on lean hungry malnutrishuned bass that were to dumb to follow the food sourse...and only in Raging heavy turbulant seas

Billy on the other hand will be content slipping along the calm shorelines tossing lively bunker along same and in between sips on the Budweiser can take just enough time to set the 3/0 trebble in the maw of a large fat well fed bass..and do all this between the hours of 10am to 1pm and get his sleep at night

Oh Boy..Let me get the Hip Boots out..It's gettin' deep now..

[thortum]

This is a very interesting & hot discussion, but bill #5165 just concerns itself with the menhedon once they get into the bay. Is that enough? A healthy bait population means a healthy preditor population [i.e. bass]. It's a nice start, what about the bait along the rest of the coast? What shape are they in? I love reading the everyones opinions. Thanks.

[bobber]

I'm still amazed that people can't see the overall good in this....... afraid of killing too many cows?? how about, now every fish can eat like a cow, and grow up fat and healthy!!?!!! and fluke and albies will have peanuts to eat, and the water quality can improve.............

last year in CT we saw bunker in places we never dreamedof catching them- and big bass were right in there with them. yeah, we had to adapt- we moved off the same ol' rock that gave up fish for the last 15 years- so what?? made it more exciting that way anyhow- and still didn't have to liveline a single bunker all season to catch a fish; they ate big wood just fine.

[bobber]

oh yeah- and the local shioops can still castnet all the fresh baits they want........ fresher and cheaper

[choggieman]

Personally I feel this is a great chance to return things to the way they should be. More bunker means more food for bass- food that is rich in nutrients and fat needed for healthy fish.
Maybe the occurence of skin lesions and mal-nourished fish being greatly reduced will help offset the loss of cows caught on a live lined bunka.
We can protect the cows only so well- guys with other live baits, ie scup still kill plenty of big girls. So I feel if they are not eating bunker they are eating something else and just as likely to be caught.
At least the fish that feed on bunker will be healthier and fatter when we catch them. The trickle down effect from healthy bunker stocks will be felt through out the eco system.
I remember the mid to late 80s when the bunker were so thick you couldn't cast without snagging them. The blues with them were massive and healthy. The bass stocks were in the gutter, so we never caught many, but now give us good bass numbers with a superior supply of arguably the striped bass's most nutrious food and lets see what happens.

[Clammer]

I DON<T BELIEVE THIS WHOLE F #$%^&*()_&^ THREAD ////


ya gotta be a complete moron not to realize that this will benefit everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>Most of you guys that are bitching are clueless to what a positive impact the pogies would have on the whole fishing community not just the bay // not just Rhode Island .................>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you really need to sit back & shut the f $^&*up because you don,t know #^&#^&#^&#^&-%$%$%$%$ what your talking about .......... assuming / this & assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiss my IRISH f $%^&*()ASS ________no need for me to go back to this thread ///it just confirmed what I had thought for quite a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of the know-it -all fisherman >>>>>> ARE F #$%^&*()(*& CLUELESS

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Clammer

I DON<T BELIEVE THIS WHOLE F #$%^&*()_&^ THREAD ////


ya gotta be a complete moron not to realize that this will benefit everyone >>>>>>>>>>>>Most of you guys that are bitching are clueless to what a positive impact the pogies would have on the whole fishing community not just the bay // not just Rhode Island .................>>>>>>>>>>>> some of you really need to sit back & shut the f $^&*up because you don,t know #^&#^&#^&#^&-%$%$%$%$ what your talking about .......... assuming / this & assuming that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiss my IRISH f $%^&*()ASS ________no need for me to go back to this thread ///it just confirmed what I had thought for quite a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alot of the know-it -all fisherman >>>>>> ARE F #$%^&*()(*& CLUELESS

you are a boat fisherman with a comercial liscence. I bet you have a hard on the size of prudence island after hearing there are going to be more pogies for you to snag and drop.

for the 5th time i am agreeing this is a great thing and I know it will benifit everyone. Things are just going to change alot for the surfcaster thats all..
Bill i know that hole of which you speak
I'll shut up now.

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Clammer

Kiss my IRISH f $%^&*()ASS

Uh, I think I'll say NO to that!!

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Nebe

I bet you have a hard on the size of prudence island

My answer is NO here also..

[Redsoxticket]

Reminder: Call your local representative. There are many representatives in Rhody and a majority of votes will be needed. Safe bet will be 3/5 votes in favor so that governor can't veto.

[macojoe]

ARK bait has been doing this for years!! They wiped out Mt Hope bay a long time ago!
This Bill is a good thing!!

[Clammer]

WANNA F #$%^&*( PLAY <><><><

THOSE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULD<NT BE THROWIN STONES ><><<>
I<VE HAD A COMMERCIAL LICENSE FOR EXACTLY 45: YEARS >>>>>>>>> I BELIEVE YOU WEREN<T BORN YET ;;;;

I WONDER WHO ASKED ME >>> {{{ IF THEY GOT A MONEY FISH TONIGHT}} WOULD I SELL IT ON MY LICENSE FOR HIM ><><>

[Slinger]

Gentlemen, please control yourself. This is too big a deal to let it break down into a flame war. When will you people realize that if we don`t all stand together we will all surly hang alone! If somthing isn`t done now to stop the further degradation of our forage supply very soon there won`t be anything left to argue about! It`s been years since I`ve felt so motivated, still carry too many scars from 30 yrs of beating my head against brick walls, but this is a battle that must be fought and won. I will do my utmost to see it happen.
Slinger

[snake slinger]

chill out

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Nebe

NIB- how was the fishing along the NJ beaches where the pogies had left?? Any bass? Did NJ still have resident fish along jetties that had seen pogies a few days before?


..

I had a 35 on a jig an a 34 lber on a MAC Pikie before the pogie madness started..Sure fishing was tough even with the live herring..
U gotta work ur but off in NJ..
After they left it was almost august..
We had good fish well into july.
in fact I went to BI on 7/16-7/21 an that saturday they while i was away they got some..
U will get the usuall cries from those who give half assed efforts.
Do they create a bass vacumm when the big pods arrive yes..
But the fishing to follow is something many have never ever seen.. Guys fishing 40 yrs..
Never seen the the likes of what we had since we kicked the reduction boats out..
When I say I had 30-40 fish over 30 lbs it's no lie..
Think about it...
Thats several lifetimes of fish that size for a good angler...
NJ still has the bait boats..
I wonder where them ARK boats will go if RI kicks em out..

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

but Steve's excellent surf fishing was done with the aid of #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s boat and going to areas as close to where the pogies were.

E - I think you are off the mark a bit and trading literally a handful of trips in Bill's boat for many trips in Bill's boat. As for the surfcasting from the island, I dropped them off so I know a bit about that trip. Bunker weren't involved, eeling & sluggos were the trick.

Originally Posted by Nebe

you are a boat fisherman with a comercial liscence. I bet you have a hard on the size of prudence island after hearing there are going to be more pogies for you to snag and drop.

E - I think you are off the mark a bit again as you don't understand Clammer when it comes to fish, commercial or otherwise. He'd rather catch that 6# bass from begin a rock on a little swimmer than chasing big fish all day long Yo-Yoing Pogies. Now if he happens to catch "money fish" in season he'll sell them but he also understands the bassonomics of RI isn't a very profitable gig unless they are close to you...

Not a big deal but I wanted to point out a couple things when concerning friends of mine.

Originally Posted by NIB

I wonder where them ARK boats will go if RI kicks em out..

Nibtastic - I believe they go to NJ after they leave RI every year. They are typically in RI for a week to three weeks...

What I would like to see is less pi$$ing contest more debate (if needed) in ths thread. There are good arguments made here just a little less arguing please

Thanks