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I'd wager he meant clean as in clean cut. This is often how Biden speaks and seems to fit the context of his statement.
And John, I don't think there's any getting around the fact that part of Obama's appeal is that he's one of the first black figures that's has universal appeal.
Sounds like those who oppose political correctness are calling the kettle black.
Sounds like those who oppose political correctness are calling the kettle black.
-spence
Personally, It doesn't bother me that he said that, but when you are out there hustling votes, saying something like that will cost you a few....from the people who DO care about what he said.
And the media is just waiting to find something to pounce on someone about.....you have to choose your words EXTREMELY carefully when you decide to run.
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
Ant yet the Drudgereport dosn't even have the original source for the quote!
I like a man who can speak openly. This is what we need...
-spence
As do I, this could be fun. He wasn't a candidate more than a couple of hours. Can you imagine 4 years of these quotes? Honestly, Joe could fit right in here at S-B. Remember this gaffe? How many times has this issue been discussed on our board?
The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
Mr. Biden is equally skeptical—albeit in a slightly more backhanded way—about Mr. Obama. “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
But—and the “but” was clearly inevitable—he doubts whether American voters are going to elect “a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,” and added: “I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.”
Ok, reading this in context I think it's even less of a big deal.
So Obama is a pretty boy with loads of charisma, a cinderella story and no experience.
Looks like its cut and run from poor Joe among the liberal ranks. Here is the bloodthirsty nature of this game. Not only are the conservatives trying to whip this up, the Liberals who back other liberal candidates are stepping on his throat. This from an extremely popular super liberal blog.
From the Uber liberal DailyKos:
It's sort of ironic that Biden stepped in it big time the same day he announces his exploratory committee for president. Let's recap:
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
So some are saying that an editing decision could've made the quote sound worse.
OK, I'm not a big Biden fan, so I wouldn't be disappointed to see him drop out. But I have to say this: what if the Observer punctuated casually? That is, what if there is supposed to be a comma before 'who,' making it a non-restrictive relative clause:
“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American, who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”
Thus he would mean Obama is both
a). the first mainstream African-American candidate for president
and
b). articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.
It's within the realm of possibilities. But then is he saying that Carol Moseley Braun wasn't "mainstream" even though she represented the fifth largest state (in population) in the U.S. Senate? Is he saying that Jesse Jackson wasn't "mainstream" even though he won 11 primaries in 1988 and 6.9 million votes? The population of Delaware is 783,600. Heck, he won Michigan with 55% of the vote.
So either 1) he's a patronizing %$%$%$%$%$%$%$, or 2) he's a historical revisionist %$%$%$%$%$%$%$. Either way, he's an %$%$%$%$%$%$%$. And either way, the racial element is inescapable.
The charm of fishing is that it is the pursuit of what is elusive but attainable, a perpetual series of occasions for hope. ~John Buchan
With real Presidential ambition and the media spotlight?
If he's not the first he'd be among select company. Help me out by naming a few.
-spence
I didn't see the qualifiers of "media spotlight", and "real presidential ambition" in Joes quote and neither did anyone else. I do agree with his overall statement but the word "first" in my mind has really opened him up to attacks from both sides. And Bronko's right, any candidate that won 11 primaries is mainstream whether we'd like to admit or not. Jesse Jackson and Shirley Chisolm are and were considered, bright, articulate and clean by a huge number of Americans. Maybe not by your's or my standards but we're only one vote each. Maybe he meant "one of the first".
As do I, this could be fun. He wasn't a candidate more than a couple of hours. Can you imagine 4 years of these quotes? Honestly, Joe could fit right in here at S-B. Remember this gaffe? How many times has this issue been discussed on our board? 
Hybrid Mode
