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02-21-2007, 04:18 PM
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sick of bluefish
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Location: TEXAS
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Unless I see pictures, most Cows are bull......
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02-21-2007, 04:28 PM
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Registered User
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Location: Manhattan
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Jimmy, I'm a C & R & stealth- type guy... who fishes alone 99% of the time, and in the dark mostly... Even when I remember to bring a camera with me, it stays in my pocket & I never end up using it! 99.9% of my Bass (of all sizes!) are released, and I don't want to weigh them hanging from the lip on some Boga... nor keep them out-of-water more seconds than I have to! So: I have over a hundred "cows" lifetime from the surf, but only cow- pics from boat where others were there to work the camera. I think this is true for most hard- core guys here, really...
I CAN show you a pic of my (own) boat- caught "40" from last Spring, that broke my rod during the fight, using "only" 20 lb. mono., yet I landed & released her fine. I weighed her in a net with accurate hand-scale attached-- not lifting by the lip which I believe kills! She swims today, I'm sure of it...  |
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02-21-2007, 04:52 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New Haven County, CT
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Most stripers over the low 30" mark are female. Biological fact. But, I see a lot of fishermen coming back with a lot of bull sh**, and talking only of very large bass, so it gets kinda confusing.
That piece above about handling large fish is great advice. Some Australian researchers found that lifting large fish by the jaw damages the gill arches, among other things. Fish are not made to be lifted out of the water that way, it may cause organ damage, also. They evolved to exist horizontally in a weightless situation, suspended in water. The delicate connective tissue holding organs in place aren't designed to be pulled on in unnatural positions. Also, having fish scrape on the rocks or boat decks removes slime and even scales that exist as a barrier to infection.
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02-21-2007, 05:05 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Warwick RI,02889
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Don,t care what,s what .....called them bulls //UNLESS they are F#$%^&*( BLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOfish /// Then called them F #$%^&*(*&^&* D E A D  |
ENJOY WHAT YOU HAVE !!!
MIKE
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02-21-2007, 05:25 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2000
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Old the Oldtimers called them "Bulls" or "Bull Bass" Even the Clammer! Jobin and all the other comms call them Bulls, still do...Cows is relatively new...I use cows but I like Bull Bass better....Its the Old way!
The term Bulls was used alot especially in Narragansett Bay.
I can tell you this..Either Cows -or-Bulls is a hell of alot better than some of the stupid names they use now ...The one I hate most is "Slobs" Shows ZERO Respect in my opinion..Another term we used was acually, McKenna and I would joke with this one ..we called Teen size bass "Colts"....Anyway we never used a derogatory name or slang like "Slobs" or "Pigs"......
But again, it looks like some get overly technical with biology etc...and becasue there female call them cows....but Females or not big bass are strong and a strong fish reminds one of a bull!!
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02-21-2007, 05:31 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: marshfield,ma
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Derogatory towards a fish?! Didn't you take a picture hugging two bass?
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02-21-2007, 05:33 PM
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end of the fence guy
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: tiverton ri
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how many pounds are they when there called bulls or cows?
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boat fish dont count
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02-21-2007, 09:01 PM
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Been many moons
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Aquidneck Island
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Quote:
Originally Posted by riverrat2
Derogatory towards a fish?! Didn't you take a picture hugging two bass?
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On a chair in a living room? |
Standing on the water, casting your bread
While the eyes of the idol with the iron head are glowing
Distant ships sailing into the mist
You were born with a snake in both of your fists while a hurricane was blowing
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02-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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Cattle and Moose are cows and bulls too. It sounded better at the time then...  one day they said 'lets just go with the rest of the world'...yeah thats it. |
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02-21-2007, 05:32 PM
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whitewater
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: watch hill
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02-22-2007, 10:00 AM
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Callinectes sapidus
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baldwin
... Some Australian researchers found that lifting large fish by the jaw damages the gill arches, among other things. Fish are not made to be lifted out of the water that way, it may cause organ damage, also. They evolved to exist horizontally in a weightless situation, suspended in water. The delicate connective tissue holding organs in place aren't designed to be pulled on in unnatural positions. Also, having fish scrape on the rocks or boat decks removes slime and even scales that exist as a barrier to infection.
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 ....I honestly believe that if you TRULY feel that way about fishing.......you REALLY shouldn't be fishing. Sorry  ...
DZ.....like RIJimmy said, the term COW is used SO freely now-adays and on any sized fish - giving the word no meaning to me, when I see a nice fish, that's exactly what I call it,,, a NICE fish.
Although I do refer to big Tautog as HOGS....  |
 ... it finally happened, there are no more secret spots
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02-23-2007, 09:07 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: New Haven County, CT
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[QUOTE=bloocrab;466346] ....I honestly believe that if you TRULY feel that way about fishing.......you REALLY shouldn't be fishing. Sorry ...
Bloocrab, think about that comment. If you're keeping the fish, it doesn't really matter how you handle them, but if you're releasing it's a good idea to give it a decent chance of survival. If you don't feel this way, maybe it's YOU who shouldn't be fishing. |
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02-23-2007, 09:09 AM
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Location: Cumberland, RI
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Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement -- Keith Benning
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02-23-2007, 10:03 AM
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02-22-2007, 11:02 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by baldwin
That piece above about handling large fish is great advice. Some Australian researchers found that lifting large fish by the jaw damages the gill arches, among other things. Fish are not made to be lifted out of the water that way, it may cause organ damage, also. They evolved to exist horizontally in a weightless situation, suspended in water. The delicate connective tissue holding organs in place aren't designed to be pulled on in unnatural positions.
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He's 100% right. This is why I always grab'um by their tails.
85 days and counting |
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02-22-2007, 11:29 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Reading Mass/Newburyport/merrimack river
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Been calling them Bulls all my life, kinda hard to change at this point.... back in the day, when meduim fish went to market, 15lbs was the cut off.... after that they went into the large or "bull" box....
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02-22-2007, 11:29 AM
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President - S-B Chapter - Kelly Clarkson Fan Club
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Rowley
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didn't we already have this discussion based on an article in one of the mags a whlie ago?
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02-23-2007, 06:49 AM
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Callinectes sapidus
Join Date: Oct 2001
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Here is a NICE fish...............
...not being grabbed by the tail either.....  |
... it finally happened, there are no more secret spots
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02-22-2007, 09:27 AM
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sick of bluefish
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 8,672
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LeCounts1099
Jimmy, I'm a C & R & stealth- type guy... who fishes alone 99% of the time, and in the dark mostly... Even when I remember to bring a camera with me, it stays in my pocket & I never end up using it! 99.9% of my Bass (of all sizes!) are released, and I don't want to weigh them hanging from the lip on some Boga... nor keep them out-of-water more seconds than I have to! So: I have over a hundred "cows" lifetime from the surf, but only cow- pics from boat where others were there to work the camera. I think this is true for most hard- core guys here, really...
I CAN show you a pic of my (own) boat- caught "40" from last Spring, that broke my rod during the fight, using "only" 20 lb. mono., yet I landed & released her fine. I weighed her in a net with accurate hand-scale attached-- not lifting by the lip which I believe kills! She swims today, I'm sure of it... |
LC1099 - me too, except for the boat stuff, no need to prove to me what you or anyone caught. I have no pics an never keep fish, although I would keep something over 40.When I was a kid, fsihing for largemouths, everyone I talked to caught a 5lb bass. 5lb bass are not common, I'd guarantee most are 2.5lbs at best. With stripers, I think most 20lbers are really 8 to 15lbs, most 30lbers are 15-25lbs and most 40lbers are 25-35lbs. Most people exxagerate, not to be dsihonet, but becasue they've never seen many bass over 15lbs. I dont mean most of teh guys on this site, I TRULY believe and have seen pics from a lot of fisherman. But I cant tell you how many times I've been at a spot at night and a guy mentins, "that guy over there beached a 25bler" when I walk by to take a look its barely a keeper. Dont mean to derail the thread |
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02-21-2007, 11:37 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: newport
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
Unless I see pictures, most Cows are bull......
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This should be a S-B bumper sticker or shirt etc.! Outstanding quote!  |
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