Shoud illegal immigrants be eligible for Social Security benefits?

[slapshot]

Dodd doesn't surprise me. Lieberman raises an eyebrow. I thought he was supposed to be a Bush cronie? Kennedy, no surprise there. Clinton and Obama

[spence]

This is the problem when people get all their political information from spam emails intending to manipulate reality, they fall far to fast into the partisan trappings spreading and repeating the misinformation...just as intended.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...alsecurity.asp

-spence

[PaulS]

There has never been a vote to allow illegals to get SS. You all has been duped.

Edit - or what spence said

[spence]

So how much damage was done as a result of this thread, and what kind of penalty should Stripersnpr be required to pay?

-spence

[ThrowingTimber]

Originally Posted by spence

This is the problem when people get all their political information from spam emails intending to manipulate reality, they fall far to fast into the partisan trappings spreading and repeating the misinformation...just as intended.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immig...alsecurity.asp

-spence

I totally Agree with Spence on this.

You should know your facts. I'll try and dumb it down some for you. If someone is an Illegal Alien.

They DO NOT have a valid SSI / TIN or ITIN (if you dont know what the second two are you shouldnt have bothered entering in this conversation).

Yes, that means IF they can find work they are TAXED, same as you and me...

But they CANNOT file taxes, because well their # is usually fake.... refund good.. Johnny law at your door bad...

Remember that next time youre doing your write offs and mostly just when you get your refund checks....yes these folks are actually paying into the gov't and are never getting a dime back....

The same way they are not entitled to a tax refund, they are not entitled to any other TAX benefits, besides BEING taxed same as anyone else...

This concludes todays common sense lesson.

[StriperSniper]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

I totally Agree with Spence on this.

You should know your facts. I'll try and dumb it down some for you. If someone is an Illegal Alien.

They DO NOT have a valid SSI / TIN or ITIN (if you dont know what the second two are you shouldnt have bothered entering in this conversation).

Yes, that means IF they can find work they are TAXED, same as you and me...

But they CANNOT file taxes, because well their # is usually fake.... refund good.. Johnny law at your door bad...

Remember that next time youre doing your write offs and mostly just when you get your refund checks....yes these folks are actually paying into the gov't and are never getting a dime back....

The same way they are not entitled to a tax refund, they are not entitled to any other TAX benefits, besides BEING taxed same as anyone else...

This concludes todays common sense lesson.

Not true,check the stats. H&R Block recently announced a huge increase in the number of illegals coming in to file returns using their newly aquired TIN.Illegals know that when the IRS issues them a TIN the information is protected under confidentiality laws.Thank Bank Of America,H&R Block and Jackson-Hewitt for letting illegals know that the IRS can't legally share that information with the INS.Bank of America issues credit cards and offers loans and mortgages to illegals using a TIN in place of a SS#.Do the research this is all absolutely true.It really is time to pack 'em up and ship 'em the hell out.

[ThrowingTimber]

folks who've got a tin to begin with arent illegal aliens. These are folks with work visas etc. They're in the country legit.

[StriperSniper]

Originally Posted by ThrowingTimber

folks who've got a tin to begin with arent illegal aliens. These are folks with work visas etc. They're in the country legit.

Not true vic,please do the research.What is an ITIN?
An Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN) is a tax processing number issued by the Internal Revenue Service. It is a nine-digit number that always begins with the number 9 and has a 7 or 8 in the fourth digit, example 9XX-7X-XXXX.
IRS issues ITINs to individuals who are required to have a U.S. taxpayer identification number but who do not have, and are not eligible to obtain a Social Security Number (SSN) from the Social Security Administration (SSA).
ITINs are issued regardless of immigration status because both resident and nonresident aliens may have U.S. tax return and payment responsibilities under the Internal Revenue Code.
Individuals must have a filing requirement and file a valid federal income tax return to receive an ITIN, unless they meet an exception.