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05-01-2007, 07:03 PM
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Fish Hound
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Shrewsbury, MA & Mashpee, MA
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believe me i totally agree. im almost twenty and according to that national geographic article, the fisheries will be functional extinct by the year 2049. granted ill be old and brittle by then (maybe not  ) but there def needs to be a change and people cant just put a dollar sign on their catch. |
"There are many things in life that will catch your eye, but only a few will catch your heart.....pursue those."
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05-01-2007, 07:06 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: SOCO
Posts: 1,995
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I think that was the issue with an article about new rubber eel imitations? Missed the boat on that one, Surf Hogs rule  |
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05-01-2007, 07:47 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,038
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Extinct Fish?
Go back a few issues in The Fisherman and check out the article on bogus fisheries science. The folks who are screaming that all the fish will be extinct in another 50 years are being funded by environmental organizations. Organizations bent on stopping locking up public resources. I am all for conservation, but false science or science with an agenda is wrong. Plan on fighting for the right to fish if these guys persuade the public that the oceans will be empty in 50 years. They just want to lock it up and look at it. It's already happening on the west coast.
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05-02-2007, 05:51 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,805
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back to the past
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Originally Posted by WoodyCT
Go back a few issues in The Fisherman and check out the article on bogus fisheries science. The folks who are screaming that all the fish will be extinct in another 50 years are being funded by environmental organizations. Organizations bent on stopping locking up public resources. I am all for conservation, but false science or science with an agenda is wrong. Plan on fighting for the right to fish if these guys persuade the public that the oceans will be empty in 50 years. They just want to lock it up and look at it. It's already happening on the west coast.
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when that happens here ....
the solution will be flaming arrows.  |
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05-02-2007, 06:58 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 7,649
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I have not always agreed with everything Zach Harvey writes about but that Fluke article was right on. I am a fluke guy and have enjoyed fishing that species in 5 states since the age of 3, in bays and offshore. It is probably one of the most popular species fished for in the east...and it is not just fluke that get abused like this. IMO NOTHING should be wasted or dumped over the side dead...EVER for ANY reason. If you drag just about anything you pull up will be near dead or die soon after. The discard because of regulations is a very significant mortality number that is being ignored. It should come to market and come off the quota...after all they are dead. Same goes for bass and everything else that swims. Remember the herring draggers catching and dumping bass offshore? This should never happen.
He didn't mention this but IMO the reason they don't do this is that there other factions of the comm industry would be pissed off. Ie. the R&R anglers don't want to see the quota lowered (or even reduced to zero) by draggers retained discard and put them out of work. IMO this is the real hidden issue that they don't want to discuss in the open.
As a recreational angler I actually try very hard not to waste any fish or part of fish. If it is not released, it is kept for food. We don't keep more then we can eat. After cleaning, all the fish waste also gets used as bait for lobster traps or ground up for chum. Nothing (OK, very very little) goes into the dumpster.
Its almost like a slap in the rec anglers face to see deckhands shoveling discard overboard when the rec angler is taking the time to revive a fish and see that he swims off strong.
He made some good points about rec regs as well. But the bottom line is that our fisheries management system is just not working and lacks common sense.
As Ted Nugent tell his kids on his hunting show..."If you kill it, the least you can do is Eat it!"
I am glad they made that a cover story...
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05-02-2007, 07:07 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,805
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hand liners in canada
i watched the history of the Canadian hand liners and their similar battles with the draggers and the story was truly sad as one guy forced into not being able to fish like his last 3 generations before him did drove him to suicide. As a fishing village they lost ...
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05-02-2007, 07:07 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Newtown, CT
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Very complicated issue, but first off realize that the fluke fishery is NOT in trouble. There are more fluke around right now than at any time since they started to keep records.
As far as that soecific incident goes, those fluke were dumped for one of two reasons, either the boat did not have a fluke permit or the state of MA had a very restrictive trip limit. Either way, it's not the fault of the feds or the ASMFC.
Every state that I know of uses trip limits to try and control the commercial landings against that state's quota. It is a well known fact in fisheries management that trip limits cause regulatory discards, yet the states continue to use them, becuase they have no other effective way of limiting the landings. Anyone have another suggestion?
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05-02-2007, 07:13 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 3,650
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It's too bad the scientific community is not beyond reproach....
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