New Chatham Cut - Bailout?

[capecodder]

As one who owns oceanfront property, I am opposed to all human intervention to impede nature. If one wishes to build a home, fine the risk is theirs.

I have seen firsthand how human intervention has caused negative unintended consequences. The breakwater in PTown forever changed the flow of sand around the inside of the cape to N. Truro. Sea walls caused more erosion than without them... and more.

As a boy I went to sailing camp on Pleasant Bay and we used to sail inside the protection of the barrier beach all the way to the sound and Monomoy. Then the 87 or 89 storm (I forget) broke through in front of the light. If memory serves me, I've read that in the early 1900's it was like that only to fill in over time.

Let it be. Those with property should know and bear the risk themselves. They certainly don't share the increase in their porperty value with the taxpayers.

[Mike P]

Originally Posted by capecodder

As one who owns oceanfront property, I am opposed to all human intervention to impede nature. If one wishes to build a home, fine the risk is theirs.

I have seen firsthand how human intervention has caused negative unintended consequences. The breakwater in PTown forever changed the flow of sand around the inside of the cape to N. Truro. Sea walls caused more erosion than without them... and more.

As a boy I went to sailing camp on Pleasant Bay and we used to sail inside the protection of the barrier beach all the way to the sound and Monomoy. Then the 87 or 89 storm (I forget) broke through in front of the light. If memory serves me, I've read that in the early 1900's it was like that only to fill in over time.

Let it be. Those with property should know and bear the risk themselves. They certainly don't share the increase in their porperty value with the taxpayers.

I agree wholeheartedly. But lets face it, Cape Codders like you are a dying breed. The new Cape Codder is getting more and more politcal clout as their numbers grow. They're moving to the Cape from areas when man has been trying to stem the tide from washing away million dollar homes for decades. I don't recall any big hue and cry to fill the 87 breach. I don't think anyone gave it a second's serious consideration.

[clambelly]

Originally Posted by Mike P

I agree wholeheartedly. But lets face it, Cape Codders like you are a dying breed. The new Cape Codder is getting more and more politcal clout as their numbers grow. They're moving to the Cape from areas when man has been trying to stem the tide from washing away million dollar homes for decades. I don't recall any big hue and cry to fill the 87 breach. I don't think anyone gave it a second's serious consideration.

mike, in fact there was some cry from some folks who were directly affected by that breach at that time. i read a book awhile back called 'Storm Surge', all about that break, and a history of how those beaches work. in the book, the author tells how one homeowner paid 30K for sand to be dumped in front of his house in order to keep the sea back. haha..funny story because this guy thought he could control nature. 2 weeks later, another Nor'easter came through and took all of that sand away!

anyone who thinks they can control nature is clueless. seawalls and jettys only make the problems worse. they both disrupt the natural flow of sand. i don't expect people to stop building sea walls and jettys, but if you live on the coast, you have no sympathy from me. if you build on the coast and then want the gov't to bail your butt out, you've got another thing coming. sell your house and move inland.

[Flaptail]

This is a natural event that occurs and re-occurs and will occur again. Anyone stupid enough to think that they can change a process that has shaped and re-shaped the land form of Cape Cod is shoveling sh!t against the tide. Trophy home owners who built million plus dollar homes were naieve in not considering the risk envolved in water front home ownership. Well too bad for them No self respecting ship Captain or native Cape Codder in the days past of old Cape Cod would have dared do that, mansions were for Main street. On the beach is too fraught with hazards and one should never tempt fate or Mother Nature.

Money wasted and south Village camp owners need to think about boat ownership.

[Backbeach Jake]

The old timers built well back from the beaches. They knew. All they built near the beach were fish shacks or a shed to stow their gear. Those shacks and sheds were expendable. There homes were not. My house in N Truro is working on 200 years old and is one of three originals on the hill. They are maybe 700 feet back from the bluff. Of course the bluff is crowded with trophy homes and the owners are building sand retaining fences like crazy while screaming global warming. Global this, a northeaster will erode the beach, a steady southwest wind will build it. Has for centuries. Maybe you shoulda looked into this before you invested megabucks into your ugly arsed house designed by Frank Lloyd Wrong. What are you gonna do? If you have bucks folks think you're smart....well maybe...maybe not...

[Karl F]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

This is a natural event that occurs and re-occurs and will occur again. Anyone stupid enough to think that they can change a process that has shaped and re-shaped the land form of Cape Cod is shoveling sh!t against the tide. Trophy home owners who built million plus dollar homes were naieve in not considering the risk envolved in water front home ownership. Well too bad for them No self respecting ship Captain or native Cape Codder in the days past of old Cape Cod would have dared do that, mansions were for Main street. On the beach is too fraught with hazards and one should never tempt fate or Mother Nature.

Money wasted and south Village camp owners need to think about boat ownership.

Right On the Money Steve..

I will say, I think that south (second) village camp owners, should think of boat ownership for now.. and the fact that the 87 cut will prolly fill and connect to south beach..perhaps the Camp Owners, and the Chatham Board of Selectmen ought to think of setting it up for a point of access, and sell beach stickers, once the land bridge is complete ..
Yeah.. I'm dreaming... but dreaming big

[macojoe]

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[clambelly]

Originally Posted by Karl F

perhaps the Camp Owners, and the Chatham Board of Selectmen ought to think of setting it up for a point of access, and sell beach stickers, once the land bridge is complete ..
Yeah.. I'm dreaming... but dreaming big

NOW YOU'RE TALKING!!!

[Saltheart]

I think if you grant a permit to build the house on the waterfront , you should also grant a permit to build a wall if the structure gets threatened.

i would be totally in favor of no building private property within some distance of the waterfront.

i always thought that in this time of supposed enlightenment about environmental issues and access , that all waterfront property should eventually become part of a public land bank. No more building on the aterfront and any house that gets sold would have to be sold to the state for fair market value. A property could be handed down within a family for zero dollars but if any money is to change change hands , the property must be sold to the state. In 200 years , there would be a belt of publicly owned land along all the shorelines with free access to all people.

i think RI made some huge mistakes in the last 10 years not buying and turning into state parks the property at rocky point and quonset point. those where once in a lifetime oppurtunities that they let slip by.

its a nice dream. I think maybe in the year 3007 , people might actually be enlightened and something like this could happen.

[Pete F.]

[QUOTE=clambelly;498195], want the gov't to bail your butt out, (QUOTE]

In this country, at least in theory, it's of the people, for the people and by the people. Don't forget to remind your representative of that. Our goverment, community, fellow americans, etc. should in theory help us all with things that we cannot handle by ourselves. I think good examples are schools, defense and transportation. A bad example is making bad decisions on where to build and expecting the rest of the people to save your investment. We seem to have no problem restricting floodplain development but have a hard time restricting development in coastal regions. Of course it's mostly the lower economic spectrum that ends up in floodplains. Now a nice house on the beach....
Just follow the money
I should'nt complain I build high end second homes for a living. Hard to believe some people need a two million dollar home for two weeks a year. Sort of like $100 plugs