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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

why would the chinese invade or attack the country that buys most of its crap?

They won't as long as they are rational or something more dear to them isn't threatened... And they can't invade...

[GonnaCatchABig1]

Originally Posted by JohnR

They won't as long as they are rational or something more dear to them isn't threatened... And they can't invade...

as of right now.. they wont. it would be insane. but you arent thinking big picture..

if we got in a scrap with russia which led to bigger conflict. that would change. the kremlin is still big on the pinko ideals. and considering they share massive expanses of border china would be put into a either support us or support the capitalist situation. china would key territory between us and russia. plus the ruskies smart enough to know american factories cant support the country. so if china opposes.. they march right in and shut down the factories. cut of japan and taiwan if not outright invade. north korea make a move south of them. that would give the ruskies side i'd guess over 70% of the worlds industrial power. and since communism is notorious for needing high factory output to work. it all falls into place. china and russia economies would boom again. as they put out infinite amounts of tanks and fighters. and canned goods.
meanwhile we would our economy would fall apart. americans would be in an uproar over the fact that our precious consumer goods were cut off. our factories wouldn't be able to support our population. millions would lose jobs since most jobs depend on asian imports.
and our military factories couldnt keep up with the russian and chinese factories.

this perfect little economic world we live in is very very finely balanced. and only works right now out of trust that the others care more about profit then anything else. should some one get mad enough to decide and disrupt that balance. all bets are off. thats why the capitalist try and take land with clever political moves. they either need complete control or to keep every one happy.

right now we are the only ones who would stand to lose should russia and china go postal on us. even if they did not outright invade. just cut us off. it would make a huge impact on our economy. and pave the way for an invasion a few years down the line. our military is already stretched thin. should our economy fail it only gets worse. our only option would be to with draw all troops and defend the homeland until we could industrialize. and that give russia and iran the exact thing they want in the middle east. korea would take south korea. and china would be happily and more easily exporting to russia. russia would get all the buffers they wanted. and maybe not a single shot would be fired. and once the land grabs were done thing would return to normal. oor russia and china see their chance to expand and ww3 starts.

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1

plus the ruskies smart enough to know american factories cant support the country.

That sounds like the assumptions of Germany and Japan prior to WWII.

[fishpoopoo]

i somewhat doubt china and russia have amibitions outside of their respective geopolitical and economic spheres of influence.

to the extent that current events have the u.s. off-balance, that's all fine and good with them.

russia's just paying off its IMF debts and doesn't want to get into an arms race it can't afford.

china, in spite of its deep-rooted tradition of being an authoritarian nation (well before communism took hold with mao) is going to experience some social fermentation that inevitably comes with rapid economic growth - that should be an interesting distraction for the folks in the forbidden city.

what will REALLY screw things up in the region is resurgent japanese nationalism and beefed up military spending.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1

as of right now.. they wont. it would be insane. but you arent thinking big picture..

Russia is just rattling some sabers and trying to exert more influence in the world. The "partnerships" of Russia and China (like Shanghai Cooperative Organization) are not Nato, ASEAN, or a regened Warsaw Pact. They are just organizations that have some cooperation and like to wedge on US interests in the area. Russia is making some coin at the moment and have grand plans but their only card right now is that the US is off balance in many ways.

China ain't buying as much of Russia these days militarily now that they've copied and learned a lot and what they are buying is more pieces and less complete system complexes. Russia and China are more friends of convenience at the moment because - at the moment - they can be a fairly effective counterweight on us.

Oh, and Russia can't invade either. They have nukes but can't invade. I seriously doubt they could significantly roll anywhere at the moment or in the near future (not that I am expert or anything, just that I try to read on this crap) so they are trying the old way of realinging some of their former "republics" back into their sphere of influence...

Russia and China cannot go toe to toe with us where they can reach us in a conventional sense. The Navy and Air Force, for all of the shortfalls they have, remain by far the class of the world. The Army and Marines are hurting yes but the Navy and Air Force are significant threats...

right now we are the only ones who would stand to lose should russia and china go postal on us

If Postal means Nukes than we're all screwed. If Postal means conventional then they can really only disrupt (debatable) the US in their backyards. We can't invade either of them (not enough sealift)and they can't invade us, not enough lift of anything.