Fall Run, Late October & A Full Moon

[luds]

Originally Posted by Rockport24

Luds, you have a problem

I know....I need to fine an eelskin that will fit over a cowboy.

[Rockport24]

Originally Posted by luds48

I know....I need to fine an eelskin that will fit over a cowboy.

surfland has some monster eels, they should just skin em' and sell em'

[DZ]

This post is not directed at anyone in particular. It is meant to show the impact of the new “information age” we now live in. While information about location can be a good thing – too much or too specific can be detrimental to our surfcasting past time.

My take on “Spot talk”: When I started to become interested (read: addicted) to surf fishing for striped bass everything was a mystery and the most mysterious of all was where to catch them. “Spots” were uncovered by those who sought them out through trial and error. Every once in a while someone would actually invite me to a new location but that was a rare event. Most often you would hear of a locations name under hushed voices – then you’d start to put “two and two” together and go there. Maybe recognize a vehicle or actually see someone casting the spot or dragging a fish out. There was an anticipation and excitement of uncovering something new. What I’m trying to say is “spots” were “earned” through detective work. Those that were hardcore enough would eventually figure them out - those that were not quit fishing. It was a way of “weeding” those in the surfcasting fraternity.

I’ve told many fishermen over the years about certain locations but almost always with a “one on one” conversation. By doing this I generally get some info back that I could use, sort of “quid pro quo” so to speak. And I’m not afraid to tell you I’ve been burned a few times over the years by telling a wrong person – live and learn. I’ve also been told of locations by others in confidence and would never betray that confidence. Broadcasting a “secret” spot to a large group was always considered a no-no to those in the surfcasting fraternity, and I’m not talking about high profile locations here. Many of you know that I’ve given presentations about an island I like to spend time on – I give general info about what to fish. But after the presentation guys want to know where “flat rock” is on slide 31. My answer is “I gave you a hint now go out and find it.” Finding a spot is on your own is one of the most gratifying things about surfcasting.

With the internet many surfcasters miss out on the excitement and anticipation of the quest. A slip of the typing finger and unwanted casters will be casting your rock in no time. I know that for a fact because I’ve gathered very good intell through web sites and if I can do it so can others.

Spot talk no-no’s in my book: Many times I see spots burned because the burner doesn’t fish there anymore. Don’t post (or write) about a spot that you don’t fish - because if you do it’s not YOU that has to deal with the consequences. I’ve seen this happen quite often in the last few years. A location in nearby Mass used to be a location with a very low profile that only a handful knew about. If I met two guys there it was a crowd. Now forget it – not worth the drive if you like to fish alone.

It’s not that spots are burned as much as a part of the unwritten rules of the surfcasting game have been compromised. Thing’s that would never be done are now routine – and that’s sad. It’s kind of like looking at the answers on the back page without trying to figure it out the problem.

DZ

[JFigliuolo]

As usual Dennis, A very well thought out and articulate post.

[2na]

I burn my own spots so that the seals have more choices than just me and the Rapper

[eelman]

Its not worth posting here because no one listens anyway, all they see is an opertunity to call someone out for something..No one really wants to learn anything here...I only gave my sense of where I would be fishing if I was out there, based on my years in the surf which is a heck of alot longer than most here who think they know everything because they had a couple good nights with some fish...suddenly they know it all......Its all smoke and mirrors.I listen to people who have something to say that may help me, I dont critisize them because in the context of what they are saying they mention a place along the shoreline.

Whats real funny is I have emails from the spring that I saved from guys on this bored who were BEGGING me for info on where the fish were, some of the same guys who slam me here..Some of you have a very long way to go...




And I dont want to hear"well dont post then" because if you look, I havent in about 3 or 4 months only on the habs stuff..Which I felt strongly about...

Let dennis be Mr. Diplomat...I tell it like it is..While some of what he said may be true in a perfect beaver and cleaver world...It isnt the main reason why spots are not discussed, its because they want it to them selves so they can parade a rat 30lber around and say they knew something the others didnt...its BS...There are no more stupid secret spots...everything has been written about talked about a hundred times over..

The only secret is when fish are found in the spot no one "supposedly" knows about...thats the key....Most times there right under your nose..

RIjimmy is right, but what has to be understood also is that this time of the year anyway, you can tell someone you slammed them at frenchmans last night, odds are they wont be there tonight anyway??? doesnt anyone get that? My point is a fisherman fishes and uses what knowledge he gains as a starting point, taking a guy to a spot is no gurantee he will catch...This serect crap is an absolute laugh , joke and totally childish...I have never went to anyones place that fish were being caught NEVER...First off its embaresing and second off I am confident enough that I can find my own fish, you can call me many things but a report chaser Never.......


"Fall run" "spring run" there here there not, there coming,there going, I know something you dont, I caught a 30lber last night that means its "on" no wait...its off again because tonight I got skunked..uh oh...the forecast says its going to do this or that, Oh my god, what am I going to do, did you hear so and so caught a 50? wow he is the best? it must be on, or is it? where did he catch it, what was he using, the peanuts are everywhere, I read the paper, the report says its "on" ....How F!@#$%IN LAME...

Or how about the lame phone call..They whisper in the phone "hey, just thought I would tell you, last night was epic at spot XXXXXXX...no one knows hehehehehehe" who the F!@#$% cares....its a damn fish...your real smart you showed those fish who was boss, they have a brain the size of a pea...they have to eat in the fall,the only thing anyone did was find them....Striped bass are pushovers and very easy to catch, they always have been for me...Try and put it in perspective and give it a rest


I am done with these games....go fish


I GUESS YOU GUYS NEED ME AROUND ONCE EVERY FEW MONTHS TO GET THE BLOOD FLOWING!!!!

[Back Beach]

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&

It isnt the main reason why spots are not discussed, its because they want it to them selves so they can parade a rat 30lber around and say they knew something the others didnt...its BS...There are no more stupid secret spots...everything has been written about talked about a hundred times over..

I agree. Its like the wizard of oz. Once you look behind the smoke screen you realize it doesn't take a genius to catch a fish, particularly if there are many around. The "secret" stuff is really an attempt to hide the obvious.....fishing is really not difficult. Certainly not worth making enemies over either.

Like I said in my first post, there are still plenty in Mass......can't say where though.

[Flaptail]

Thats another reason to live on Cape Cod, no spot burning nescesary there are no fish here anyway!

Plugs are better and have the added bonus of not attracting seals by scent but you RI guys don't have seals so you don't haven to worry.

Course I like to cheat a little and put a eelskin on a plug now and then. I mean sometimes just the plug itself is not enough. But this only happens in moments of extreme circumstance.

I f I know the fish are there and won't take then in desperation The skin plug comes out. But a live eel or pogie, no way.

[bart]

don't imply that i've ever spoken a word to you, let alone sent you an email asking where the fish are. lets make that crystal clear.

the fact is, i know where big fish are being caught. up here in MA, eastern RI, etc. but i don't go to those areas because they aren't my spots, i don't feel right about it. (not always a 2 way street though). its an unwritten law that you're supposed to follow, like not burning spots.

just because you don't fish those spots anymore doesn't give you the right to kill them for everyone else still battling the elements looking for one "rat 30." you'd think someone who's been in the game as long as you would understand this...

BTW i find it funny you would call a 30 a rat when in the past you'd be the first to post a pic of anything over 20lbs from the surf....

[eelman]

Originally Posted by bart

don't imply that i've ever spoken a word to you, let alone sent you an email asking where the fish are. lets make that crystal clear.

the fact is, i know where big fish are being caught. up here in MA, eastern RI, etc. but i don't go to those areas because they aren't my spots, i don't feel right about it. (not always a 2 way street though). its an unwritten law that you're supposed to follow, like not burning spots.

just because you don't fish those spots anymore doesn't give you the right to kill them for everyone else still battling the elements looking for one "rat 30." you'd think someone who's been in the game as long as you would understand this...

BTW i find it funny you would call a 30 a rat when in the past you'd be the first to post a pic of anything over 20lbs from the surf....

ya true until this spring when I had 12 30lbers in a row, Jim and I were getting tired of catching fish that size...and dont tell me how or what to feel...I have certainly paid my Surf dues more than anyboday, rain, snow, wind, ice, high surf, miles and miles of walking and almost divorced..I understand everything perfectly...I have learned even before I baught a boat that "batteling the elements" is for fools, there is no need to do that exept maybe in the late fall....plenty of fish are caught on the nice nights, the smart fisherman is in bed on those he man nights, resting up because he knows better........

[JFigliuolo]

[QUOTE=bart;534165]don't imply that i've ever spoken a word to you, let alone sent you an email asking where the fish are. lets make that crystal clear....

QUOTE]

Please put me in that camp also. I must confess, though once, I believe last summer, I asked 2 people if they could give me any intel on an easy to fish spot that was producing ANYTHING, as I was planning on taking out my wife who was sick. She loves to fish, but had been very sick w/Lyme and unable to get out at all for over a year. So for her, I swallowed my pride. Bill was one of those people. We have exchanged emails about various other fishing related topics he was very helpfull.

[JoeP]

As usual DZ excellent post right on point. Funny how guys' perspectives change so easily...they forget how it was...

Originally Posted by DZ

Spot talk no-no’s in my book: Many times I see spots burned because the burner doesn’t fish there anymore. Don’t post (or write) about a spot that you don’t fish - because if you do it’s not YOU that has to deal with the consequences. I’ve seen this happen quite often in the last few years. A location in nearby Mass used to be a location with a very low profile that only a handful knew about. If I met two guys there it was a crowd. Now forget it – not worth the drive if you like to fish alone.

It’s not that spots are burned as much as a part of the unwritten rules of the surfcasting game have been compromised. Thing’s that would never be done are now routine – and that’s sad. It’s kind of like looking at the answers on the back page without trying to figure it out the problem.

DZ

[Slipknot]

Hi Clammer love ya man
I have no idea what you said because there is no way I can read all that or this whole thread, but when did you get a voice to type program for your computer? that must have been 2 hours to type all that gotta be some kind of record length post

I got baseball to watch