Piemma...
"1) It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
2) There are still a few of us "hardcore oldtimers" still out almost everynight. We are just quiet about it. In the old days before the internet no one except the "insiders" knew who was taking good fish.
3) Most of us DON'T post our success. You think I want every newbie standing in my bootmarks after I slam the fish?
4) Aside from my partner there's not 3 guys on this board who know all the good spots where I'ver been crawling. Why give up the keys to the kingdom.
AND finally....
5) While I haven't got a 36# bass this year. I have 30 fish over 15 and 5, 20# or better. All from shore. In the last 10 days 2 in the 20s and 6 in the mid-teens. 2 of those in the last 24 hours.You see any pictures or posts about my fish? NO.
You see the oldtimes like to stay low profile. It doesn't do us any good to advertise our success. "
JohnR
"I agree, but the Internet is not necessairly the place to pass on all of that knowlegde, some yes, all of it no way. Surf Fishing in general cannot handle every secret out there and spots specifically cannot handle TMI, especially from the internet. I have seen many that share knowledge on the Internet, eventually fish together, and if and when that clicks, share far deeper knowledge. Perhaps that is a good use for the Internet Fishing.
I have seen many of the "sharpies" take people under their wings and pass on that knowledge. Some people will want to take things to the grave, human nature perhaps..."
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"I want to be honest without being nailed for it so here goes. I have tried to warm up to people and take them fishing, It always turns out bad, always, they burn spots, take tons of friends and cant keep there mouths shut. Maybe if they showed some respect, they would get some and a little more knowledge. I am very, very, very carefull now who I would take if anyone, I fish with Steve and thats it. I have come to know PIEMMA And I really feel I can trust a guy like that, I would never lie to him, he has fished with some old timers That I have the utmost respect for and, I dont have that for many people. I act like a total Ahole at times and well thats 70% for fun on these boards but make no mistake, I take fishing extremely serious and I have worked very hard and lost thousands or hours of sleep to get where I am at now, I am scared to ever risk it.
A very few people here now where I fish and that scares me! so far no one has burned me and I respect that. I just feel that evey newble I have met is either and instant hero, wants a 50 yesterday, or is basically not willing to listen, but worse than all that all they seem to want is spots nothing else! I hate that, in my opinion thats what I call a "suck" Find your own fish is my attitude now but look, wouldent you feel better if you did it that way?
So overall? I dont care to much for the new guard I have met, there are a couple but not more than that. They have no idea that we who have done this for 20yrs or so have seen it all, guys who go all out and then quit after a few seasons, guys who resent you because you wont take them to your spot etc, I have seen and heard it all!
The whole attitude now is different, I will stick with the old timers, and the steves of the world, they just get it!
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Billy Again
"Eben , seriously there is " no game on" its just the way I feel. Hey look, you went to a spot, on your own and nailed a nice fish because you had a hunch, a feeling whatever, you did it on your own and fished with your gut! Thats Fishing!!
I tell people stuff and the reply is always the same "where do you fish though"
That just turns me right off ! The other thing is "how big were your fish last night" What the heck difference does it make? there fish aren't they? you cant pick size!!
I was told "how too" by many of the older guys but I was very rarely shown a spot, they said go find it on your own, it made me a better fisherman. I have met people along the way, mutual friends that know people etc.. and have lucked out on a few spots. I certainly dont feel bad about it, thats life and it happens, places like the breachways, I completly learned to fish on my own with trial and era, many lost jigs and more than a few guys yelling at me for not doing the rotation right! I fished past that toughened up my skin and became the guy doing the yelling But hey surf fishing is hard work.
Once the old timers new you had what it takes they loosened up and once they new you were not trying to jump in there honey hole, they began to let you in the "circle" man when that happens it just feels good, you have earned your respect!!! welcome to the world of surf fishing! Things in 2005 are not anything like then however and it never will be again.
Pauls partner Gill who passed away, was one tough guy to crack! It must have took me 5 years before he would even sneeeze in my direction! But once I earned my place, he took me fishing, sponsered me to become a member in his club etc... we fished the cape several times, it was just a good feeling.
As far as fish? yes I am impressed when someone gets a good one, but I have so many 30plus pound fish, I am kind of numb to it, what really makes me take notice of a guy is CONSITANCY , one who has learned to catch on a constant basis a few years of that and you get noticed fast, now you have guys asking you!!
Everything I have ever said or done fish wise I could back up! I dont lie! I have pictures, witnesses, and a host of other things to back up my talk! So you can call me many things but a liar...nope....nota....I have nothing to prove at all, if you have caught it, I have caught it several times over, Show me consistancy, a willingness to find fish on your own, and you have earned my respect! You never want to get a rep as a liar in this game! really bad!!
As far as you Eben! I think your ok in my book, we have certainly had a few moments but I think we know where each other stands.We know where each other is fishing and its great that neither of us is stepping on the others toes, But I feel now that you wont do that and vise versa...your earning the trust!
Steve made a comment yesterday to me he said "did you hear what eban said"? I said what " he said, "If you new the hours and time it took to get this fish" That my friend speaks for itself!!!!!
Tight Lines
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Bassmaster
"this is a way of life here and taken seriously
when You put time in and hard time, the last thing ya need is to have your spot burned
I been fishin all my life and was gifted and caught alot of large fish and alot of small fish also.
countless 30 and 40 lb bass
I have gone 1 year with only 1 fish that was 35.5 inches long any one remeber that decade
I have fished the islands and sold bass , basicly the whole 9 yards.
My old map is gone but there was notes all over it and You know what,,,,
its time to learn other places here on the cape and I know alot of stuff here, to be a guide I gots to but one thing I do know is You never stop learning
the fishing has been hard here as the fish been of shore and isolated pods come in to chow the bait.
quite frank most of this post is friggen stupid
get of Ya duff put ya time in and make your own goddamn reports and stay the hell outa bait shops it aint worth the prize money trust me........
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#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&On a quote from DZ's Book..."Excerpted from DZ's "The Snowstorm Blitz":
"Guys in the know who kept quiet were often bailing bass in relative obscurity. You tried to avoid crowds of anglers, kept a low profile and above all, didn’t talk.
It was considered an act of courtesy to not ask another angler where he caught his fish. If you did, you deserved a lie.”
(E#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s response)
Now that pumps me up!! Awesome!
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Fishaholic18
"This is probably gonna start a huge war but I want to ask this.
Do you give up you're spots??????
Myself and my fishing partner(Canalman), put in some serious time spot hunting and we go through extreme measures to access some of our spots. It has paid off bigtime for us. I hate holding my spots too myself, but would never give them up(sworn to oath) in fear of others ruining them. It's a sad thing and it really bothers me sometimes because I'm not like that. It's just too bad that fishing turns guys into A-holes(like me) because we CAN'T trust people with our PRECIOUS SPOTS!!! Yes, my spots are PRECIOUS to me. It's just too bad that we can't share and trust....Life would be so much better!
I just want to see what others thoughts are on this subject.
There are still certain guys that I will fish with in my spots, because I know they will respect them. Or at least I think!!!
P.S. Sorry John..This will surely keep you busy but I had to ask...
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