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11-25-2007, 05:14 PM
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Finally
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: FL
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Originally Posted by wheresmy50
Conversely, I don't think plugmakers do much to stop this by producing plugs in such limited quantities and releasing them in such a way that there is perverse incentive to 'hoard'.
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I can tell you're not a builder. It's pretty much impossible to produce mass quantities of "hand made" plugs. Not the builders fault at all..
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11-25-2007, 05:16 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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I just painted a dozen and a half "Bunker" colored "Prey" swimmers.......you should see what I go through to paint those!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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11-25-2007, 05:19 PM
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Canceled
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
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Originally Posted by BigFish
I just painted a dozen and a half "Bunker" colored "Prey" swimmers.......you should see what I go through to paint those!
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But herein lies the question: Do the fancy paint jobs catch more fish or more fisherman?
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11-25-2007, 05:25 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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Originally Posted by bluefishercat
But herein lies the question: Do the fancy paint jobs catch more fish or more fisherman?
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Both if the plug is made well, swims as designed and......catches fish! 
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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11-25-2007, 05:45 PM
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blitz seeker
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hull
Posts: 80
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It doesn't matter to me whether people want to sell plugs for more than they pay or not, there will always be people that do it! If they see something they think will be hot, there will always be opportunistic people that will try to take advantage of it (and other anglers).
The idea that any of it is the plug makers fault is ridiculous!!! Having seen first-hand what a plug maker goes through from start to finish with the creation of each plug, it's easy to see why they don't make a million of each!!!!!
I think the idea is to get the plugs that are hot, that catches your eye, that catches the fish and to actually use them, not to horde them, hang them and not try to make more money off each of them than the people that made them do!!!!
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11-25-2007, 05:31 PM
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You rang?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Lowell
Posts: 946
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If I was a plug maker I would use the increase in oil price as an excuse to increase the price of their lures.....what the hell every other business does!
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11-25-2007, 09:38 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 374
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishaholic18
I can tell you're not a builder. It's pretty much impossible to produce mass quantities of "hand made" plugs. Not the builders fault at all..
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Well, you're right that I'm not a builder. I'm not talking about all hand-made plugs, but look at the way some are distributed, and tell me the builders aren't at least aware that the way that is done leads to hoarding or reselling at high prices. Now I'm not talking about some guy with a lathe in his basement - I'm talking about professional operations with packaging, distribution, etc. Maybe that wasn't their goal when it started, but if the product is released in a certain way, and you don't like what's happening, why keep releasing it in the same way?
And it's clearly not impossible to make usable quantities of hand made lures. Afterhours, Tattoo, #^^^^^^^^^^^&, certain RM Smith (but not all) are pretty much available, Habs were as in demand as anything and even they were pretty much available (needles anyway).
With all that said, I still don't see how you can fault someone for reselling a plug that he has bought. These plugs that are flipped are sold at less than market value in extrememly limited quantities. What do you think is going to happen?
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11-26-2007, 12:22 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Southern NH
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If I was a builder and my plugs were flipped for double retail that can only improve my business with hungry demand. An ideal product situation.
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11-26-2007, 04:43 AM
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I Had A BLAST!
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I'm from Manhattan, Live in CT., but my heart is in SoCo!
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I agree with Mike. I don't pay too much attention to the gouger sales. There are certain few that do this. They don't fish those plugs, they just gouge 'em!lol 
It is what it is. I focus on what I like. I use 'em, and sell what I don't need, usually less, or what I got 'em for. This is just for the time being, on the other site. The ones that do this, I think, out smarted themselves. IMO
How many plugs would a maker sell, if the maker jacked his prices up, to where they would not be profitable to the maker? Also how many would buy?
A plug maker, make his wares, because of the passion in his heart, for what he does. The gouging buyer see's $ signs. The collector sees works of art. I love what I have collected over the years, and won't part with the ones I like. No way!
If enough folks make a stink about it, it will stop. Then the real collectors can do what they like. It's just the way things are right now, a selfish program. They'll play with their toys and eventually get bored. 
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11-26-2007, 07:51 AM
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You rang?
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Lowell
Posts: 946
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I know I have no clue about the plug business but if the demand is so high for plugs it should be feasible for the plug maker to increase their prices. To me, plugs are like red sox tickets...if the demand is there INCREASE THE PRICE!! I would love to see the plug makers get most of the profit and not the $hit bums reselling plugs.
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11-26-2007, 08:18 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: in a structure with a roof
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its the buyers fault . those that are willing to pay what ever to buy a plug . dont pay more than makes you comfortable . I have a limit on price . I would rather give a plug to someone than charge them .
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12-10-2007, 06:03 PM
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The Black Dog - Emma
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Central Jersey (Hightstown)
Posts: 439
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Originally Posted by chris L
its the buyers fault . those that are willing to pay what ever to buy a plug . dont pay more than makes you comfortable . I have a limit on price . I would rather give a plug to someone than charge them .
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absolutely - some people have no patience or a lot of money to waste making some stuff in-accessible with is bs 
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12-10-2007, 06:07 PM
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Soggy Bottom Boy
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Billerica, Ma.
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Originally Posted by chris L
I would rather give a plug to someone than charge them .
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Chris can I have a plug, it is the holidays and all 
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11-26-2007, 08:40 AM
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I Had A BLAST!
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: I'm from Manhattan, Live in CT., but my heart is in SoCo!
Posts: 1,132
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lol. The ones with all these shiny plugs in packages aren't fishermen, no way just opportunists! lol 
Folks should not buy 'em if the prices is marked up tremendously.
Suffer with 'em!lol 
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11-26-2007, 12:04 PM
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Retired Surfer
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sunset Grill
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Sexy sells fishing lures and many other things...............
Personally I have a difficult time throwing some of my purchases in the water, not for the money, but some are truly works of art. I understand why is causes alarm when a plug is resold for huge money. The person who made it should be flattered though not dismayed. Peope that pay $100.00 for a plug dont fish, they collect.
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11-26-2007, 12:23 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: R.I.
Posts: 515
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I wiil not pay over 12$ dollars for a lure! I cant afford it I a have a family, and with the price of gas, and amount of time i spend traveling for fish I just cant spend the money.I wish I could there is some great looking plugs out there.
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11-26-2007, 12:31 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Oct 2005
Posts: 2,038
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The American Dream
Does it make one a plug flipping, price gouging, scum bag to capitalize on an opportunity to give your family a better standard of living by taking advantage of supply and demand? Is it bad to spot a good investment and profit from it? Perhaps the gumint should run all the custom plug shops and force us to stand in line for our ration of BMs, wads and pikies. The Plug Nazis- NO WAD FOR YOU! 
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11-26-2007, 03:33 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
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I have paid too much for plugs and gotten double six months later. How can that possibly be anyones business other than mine?I'll have to ask Donny Musso if it bothers him. Nah, I don't care.Most of the plug sharks overpay and then use them to trade. If a person has a problem with others profitting off of their sweat they are in the wrong business,PERIOD.This issue seems to arise due to envy,pure and simple.
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11-27-2007, 09:23 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: MA/RI
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I bet you there are commercial and private builders silently licking their chops for the opportunity to raise there prices due to this high price aftermarket purchasing. However, without mentioning any names, I would like to thank the few builders that have always kept there prices at a modest/conservative value.
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11-27-2007, 10:08 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Marshfield, MA
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The fish don't give a crap how pretty the plug is, it's the motion in the ocean...
you want real pretty plugs???ones that swim right??at a modest price??and are available?? buy BigFish Lures....Ive seen Larry test these and have done so myself .. there as good any and even better than some.
Don AfterHours plugs are pissa too and Salty makes some great stuff that is very reasonable...
I'm not saying anything that hasnt been said already, but there are options out there if you want plugs to fish(and catch).....
If people want to spend double for a hard to get piece of artlurecollectablewoodplug whatever you want to call it... all the power to them...I think it's foolish but maybe theyre having fun...
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11-27-2007, 10:23 PM
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Moderator
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Marshfield, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Redsoxticket
I bet you there are commercial and private builders silently licking their chops for the opportunity to raise there prices due to this high price aftermarket purchasing. However, without mentioning any names, I would like to thank the few builders that have always kept there prices at a modest/conservative value.
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raise to what?? a couple bucks more??
nobody would pay the aftermarket prices as asking price off the shelf.....
The guys who make customs are doing it for peanuts...there isnt any money in it....you would probally make more flipping burgers at McD's
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11-27-2007, 10:44 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hanover
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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12-12-2007, 10:37 AM
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Wipe My Bottom
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,911
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i have about 1,000 old style (no eyes) beachmaster dannies, jointed dannies, atom 40's, cowboys and needles in various sizes and colors.
new.
Asking $50 apiece, or $50,000 for the lot (I'll drop ship to your location).
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12-12-2007, 10:58 AM
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Super Moderator
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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Originally Posted by fishpoopoo
Asking $50 apiece, or $50,000 for the lot (I'll drop ship to your location).
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12-12-2007, 01:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fishpoopoo
i have about 1,000 old style (no eyes) beachmaster dannies, jointed dannies, atom 40's, cowboys and needles in various sizes and colors.
new.
Asking $50 apiece, or $50,000 for the lot (I'll drop ship to your location).
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I'll give you $49,968.25 shipped.
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12-12-2007, 02:27 PM
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Wipe My Bottom
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,911
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cashier's check, and you might have a deal. 
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