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12-31-2007, 11:11 AM
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D'oh
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Originally Posted by wrikerjr
You guys are so caught up in the hype up there but he will be in the top 5 but the best ever please your arrogance stinks!!!
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who was better & why? |
i bent my wookie
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12-31-2007, 11:25 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Bills winning percentage is among the elite and might possibly be the best! His post season winning percentage is the best in NFL history! He has won 3 Superbowls and is not done yet! Who is better???Who??? Lombardi???? Sorry...no! Chuck Knoll??? Please!!! Schula??? No!!! Landry??? Uh-uh!! Parcells??? Not on your life!!! They win the Superbowl this year to crown the undefeated season and you can put Bills name on the top of the list for all time with no question!!! Right now I still think he is the best and smartest coach in history!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!! 
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12-31-2007, 11:29 AM
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its very difficult to say but their are many that are up there, and it is very difficult to say that one coach is better comparing from various decades.
What makes you say 100% that it is BB is the better question?
Lombardi would get my vote, but you can make an argument for others. If BB and the patriots win the superbowl he would have catapulted up there and if he wins one or two more with this team then you would have to give it to him and alot of other patriots as best in their position (but that is always argumentative).
Definetly top 5 coach of all-time, but to say he is the best ever is arrogance at its best. with that said I would take him as coach of my team anyday.
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12-31-2007, 11:31 AM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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I will take arrogance then I guess.....cause' he manages a team, its players and the entire way they function better than any other coach ever!
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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01-01-2008, 03:56 PM
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Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by BigFish
I will take arrogance then I guess.....cause' he manages a team, its players and the entire way they function better than any other coach ever!
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Originally Posted by zacs
But Bill B. will go down in history as the greatest football coach to ever step on the field.
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Bill Belichick = Greatest football coach ever! period  |
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12-31-2007, 11:40 AM
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what makes bb better than lombardi or knoll or the big tuna???
The game changes decade to decade its not that easy to just say one is better than the other.
Winning percentage how many times a year does he play the bills, jets and miami??? every thing can be knocked for everyone.
Knoll's drafting ability was unprecedented and still to this day is unmatched, but with free-agency the game is different today.
One day the Patriots will not be the juggernaut that they were. for a dynasty team to not make the playoffs one year in their run doesn't help the coach. I know it seems very long ago but 9-7 in 2002 following the superbowl win was not a great season.
Oh yes, Spy gate does not help.  |
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12-31-2007, 12:05 PM
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Super Moderator
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Originally Posted by wrikerjr
what makes bb better than lombardi or knoll or the big tuna???
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You had a great argument going until you threw the Big Tuna in the Mix......Both his superbowls were won on Defense.....and who was his Defensive Coordinator???
Last edited by The Dad Fisherman; 12-31-2007 at 02:32 PM..
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12-31-2007, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman
You had a great argument going until you threw the Big Tuna in the Mix......Both his superbowls were one on Defense.....and who was his Defensive Coordinator???
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Good coaches put the right people in the right places. I never said that BB was not a great coach I just said you guys get ought of shape sometimes throwing out the best ever! top 5 yes, but best ever many arguments against that!!! |
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12-31-2007, 12:11 PM
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DDG-51
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wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.
In Bill we trust, after all he is
The Greatest Coach Ever
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12-31-2007, 12:33 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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Spygate?? Please....they all do it.....they have also proved they can outright win so lets put that to bed!
They play the Bills, Jets and Miami 2 times....whats your point there??? You do not agree they had the toughest schedule in all of football this season??
Are you saying they are not a Dynasty because the season after their first Superbowl win they went 9-7??? After they went 9-7 they won back to back Superbowls.......soooooo....whats your point?
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Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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12-31-2007, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BigFish
Spygate?? Please....they all do it.....they have also proved they can outright win so lets put that to bed!
They play the Bills, Jets and Miami 2 times....whats your point there??? You do not agree they had the toughest schedule in all of football this season??
Are you saying they are not a Dynasty because the season after their first Superbowl win they went 9-7??? After they went 9-7 they won back to back Superbowls.......soooooo....whats your point?
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Big fish - when did I not say they were not a dynasty, don't say I said that, because i truly believe that you are but interestingly you bring that up, interesting. I think it is definetly a blemish on BB as a coach that he failed to bring his team to the playoffs in their dynasty run. Its a nock
They did not have the toughest schedule in football, yes, it is true. Published by the nfl 2007 strength of schedule new England .473
Colts.516
cowboys .496
Jaguars .516
Redskins .555
Eagles .563
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Spygate, unfortunately you will have to live with that when you break the rules you have to live with the consequences. |
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12-31-2007, 02:49 PM
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BigFish Bait Co.
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I guess the consequences of spygate are a 16-0 regular season and whatever happens in the playoffs....I can live with that! I think that was blown way out of proportion.....teams steal signals all the time!
My definition of a dynasty is they compete at the highest level of the game over several seasons in a row and win at least 3 Superbowls in that run! The dynasty is established and is poised to be the greatest in history! Like it or not!
We both have opinions Wrikerjr, and I do respect yours. Its all good conversation and it really is opinion as I do agree there are many ways to argue the points.
I was a huge 49'er fan during their run and thought I would never see a team better than them......but here we are and I think this team is tons better than those 49'er teams.....I do wish there were a maching we could use to bring the 2 teams together and let them slug it out.....that would be fun! |
Almost time to get our fish on!!!
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12-31-2007, 06:36 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
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Originally Posted by wrikerjr
They did not have the toughest schedule in football, yes, it is true. Published by the nfl 2007 strength of schedule new England .473
Colts.516
cowboys .496
Jaguars .516
Redskins .555
Eagles .563
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I'm a Giants fan, but I have to give credit where it's due. If the Colts played a serious game last night, the Browns would be in the playoffs, not the Titans. Which would have meant that the Pats played all 5 of the other AFC playoff teams, and also beat 3 of the six NFC playoff teams, including the team with the best record in the NFC. The Pats schedule is skewed by having to play the dog-assed Jets and Dolphins twice. Philly on the other hand had to play 3 playoff teams in their division twice. That tough schedule might mean more if they managed to win more than 2 of those 6 games.
Strength of schedule is all well and good, but when the team with the strongest schedule goes 8-8, what's the significance of having a margainally better schedule that a team that won all 16? |
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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12-31-2007, 01:52 PM
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[QUOTE=fishsmith;551140]wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.
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I am a life long cowboy fan, I am use to lean times, I am use to great dynasties as well. Who do I owe it to the best owner in football.
You could argue with many people that their team is due. I know a ton of Jets fans who would say that they are due for good fortune. You can't argue with that.
I do admit that you have a dynasty, yes, its true, but to say BB is the best coach ever you guys are getting a going a little far.
Who is the best receiver ever - Moss?
Best QB ever - Brady?
Best Linebacker ever - ?
They are not all patriots - ?
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12-31-2007, 07:08 PM
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[QUOTE=wrikerjr;551168][QUOTE=fishsmith;551140]wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.
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I am a life long cowboy fan, I am use to lean times, I am use to great dynasties as well. Who do I owe it to the best owner in football.
You could argue with many people that their team is due. I know a ton of Jets fans who would say that they are due for good fortune. You can't argue with that.
I do admit that you have a dynasty, yes, its true, but to say BB is the best coach ever you guys are getting a going a little far.
Who is the best receiver ever - Moss?
Jerry Rice is the best receiver ever!
Lots would say he's the best football player ever!
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LETS GO BRANDON
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12-31-2007, 07:19 PM
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[QUOTE=Raider Ronnie;551281][QUOTE=wrikerjr;551168]
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Originally Posted by fishsmith
wrikerjr - What team do you root for?
Here at S-B most of us are life long Pats fans, and know exactly what the lean years were like. If any team was due for good fortune, it's the Patriots.
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I am a life long cowboy fan, I am use to lean times, I am use to great dynasties as well. Who do I owe it to the best owner in football.
You could argue with many people that their team is due. I know a ton of Jets fans who would say that they are due for good fortune. You can't argue with that.
I do admit that you have a dynasty, yes, its true, but to say BB is the best coach ever you guys are getting a going a little far.
Who is the best receiver ever - Moss?
Jerry Rice is the best receiver ever!
Lots would say he's the best football player ever!
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I bet you 90% of the people on here would say that Montana and Rice is not as good as Moss and Brady. |
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12-31-2007, 07:45 PM
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Jerry Rice is the best receiver ever!
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I won't argue that....he was amazing. Set his record in a strike shortened season too.... |
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