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Old 01-29-2008, 06:05 PM   #61
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I keep going back and forth on this issue,
today I'm anti.
I can think of no instance where paying the government for permission to do something has gotten me more permission. Quite the contrary. Oversand Permits are my glaring example. The more we've paid over the years, the less access we've gotten. Before Race Point had permits we had total access 365 days a year. Dunes,shore and trails. Now what do we have? 4/15-11/15 minus part of June, all of July, and part of August. For 150 bucks. A license or a permit is used soley to raise the funds to deny you access to what you have already. Without the fees from permits, the government doesn't have the funds to remove the users. In short, by paying, we fund our own demise as sportsmen.
When the government does something for your own good, you can bet the farm that it ain't going to be good.
This has got to be the best thing I have read in a long time
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Old 01-29-2008, 07:46 PM   #62
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Alot of States already have fees(license) for saltwater fishing!!!
$15 to $20 would be ok to me!!!
Money could be used to repair jetties along the coast!!!
Look at Plum Island and the mouth of the Merrimac River!!!
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Old 01-29-2008, 08:49 PM   #63
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Here's a tidbit for you: Wanna know how the State F&W spends your inflated freshy license money? The change their pickup colors by a shade of green. That's right, the factory hunter green wasn't close enough so they get a complete repaint. Base coat /Clear coat.
This is a stone fact, I painted them myself. I expect them to be no more frugal with my salty license money. The number of trucks that I painted could have been equiptment, or officers, instead it was a shade of green.

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Old 01-30-2008, 12:54 PM   #64
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Holy Sheet Batman....Mike....did we just agree....Oh my GOd Armegheddon must be at hand



Yup!

I think you and I often agree on the "what", where we often disagree is on the "how".

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Old 01-30-2008, 06:17 PM   #65
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Here's a tidbit for you: Wanna know how the State F&W spends your inflated freshy license money? The change their pickup colors by a shade of green. That's right, the factory hunter green wasn't close enough so they get a complete repaint. Base coat /Clear coat.
This is a stone fact, I painted them myself. I expect them to be no more frugal with my salty license money. The number of trucks that I painted could have been equiptment, or officers, instead it was a shade of green.
thats totaly retarded

boat fish dont count
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:32 PM   #66
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MPA's will be next. If you ask me though, and i know this will piss everyone off, MPA's are the only way to fix so many of our overfishing problems without favoring on euser group over another... the way the current system works of managing one link in a giant food chain is a joke.. They protect the dogfish which eats everything in site and then cant figure out why some stocks struggle to rebound.. close it all and let it fix its self. Its kind of like when 2 kids cant agree to share a toy. you simply take away the toy.

slightly off topic, but its coming.
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Old 01-30-2008, 06:49 PM   #67
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Nebe what are MPA's?

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Old 01-30-2008, 07:17 PM   #68
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Old 02-01-2008, 05:15 PM   #69
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This is the response from my representative to my concerns regarding saltwater fishing licenses. It seems quite different from the talk on the street. I guess I don't have to sell my stuff for a few years.

"Thank you for contacting me with your concerns about saltwater fishing licenses under the Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Reauthorization Act of 2006. I appreciate your feedback on this issue.



The Magnuson-Stevens Fishery Conservation and Management Reauthorization Act was passed in 2006 by the previous Congress and signed into law by President Bush on January 12, 2007. It seeks to curb overfishing through annual catch limits and other improved accountability measures. It also establishes a "federal angler registry," essentially creating a national license for saltwater fishing that will take effect in January of 2009. The legislation prohibits charging anglers a fee for such a license until 2011. I will certainly keep your thoughts in mind regarding the affordability of such permits after 2011 and will carefully consider any actions Congress can take to ensure Vermonters' access to saltwater fishing."

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Old 02-01-2008, 05:52 PM   #70
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How many of you guys would buy a Beachmaster on eBay for $50?

Bet the license will cost less, and it'll last longer than the first bluefish that swims along.

Listening to you people complain about a lousy fee that'll run less than the cost of an inflated plug is almost comical.

I don't like it any more than you do, but it's inevitable. Big Brother calls the shots. The days when states could thumb their nose at Washington are over, and have been for 40 years. You either toe the line or lose billions in funding (remember how DC shoved the .08 OUI limit down the throat of every state, and the 55 mph speed limit back in the 70s). Suck it up. What most of you spend on fishing in a year could buy licenses for a whole Boy Scout troop.
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