YO-YOING POGIES

[stripermagnet]

despite the reputation alot of people have pointed out yoyoing is very effective, especially in those dogs days of august when you need to be deep

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by stripermagnet

despite the reputation alot of people have pointed out yoyoing is very effective, especially in those dogs days of august when you need to be deep

Yes it is..I haven't done it yet but have seen guys taking good bass on it when nothing else would work..Very effective,,,,I have no problem doing it..

[BassDawg]

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[RIJIMMY]

because, BD its for when the bass are deep and you need to get the bait down to them.

If the goal of fishing is to catch fish, how in the world can it be cheating? A dead bunker has NO action, so, a live eel must be cheating too?
This is a silly debate, as with any technique due diligence should be done to ensure the fisherman is not unneccesarily harming the fish. the reality of fishing is that you, all of you, put a hook through the mouth of a living thing, make it fight for its life just so you can have some fun, period. If you have a prblem with an effective way to do that, take up golf.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

because, BD its for when the bass are deep and you need to get the bait down to them.

Since i am neither a BOAT guy nor a commercial fisherman, i'll still ask the same questions. if Mr Nolan can be so effective live-lining adult bunker ~unless he has a corner on the technique market~ then why risk more led for the mighty Atlantic and morone saxitilis? Fogeddah 'bout the increased striper mortalities when done improperly, though that is a by product of this method, no?

Additionally, won't chunking send your offering to the appropiate depths?

the redneck conversation was ticheek, of course. i am quite sure it's effective or so many people wouldn't be doing it. just seems above and beyond natural, a little bit smarmy, and do you reely believe that it is not some sort of performance enhancement that would similarily relate to ped's? umbrella rigs and wahoo rigging notwithstanding, since that is mostly just that, RIGGING ~without the added led.

another consideration for the mix is the MV Derby banning it for thier competitive purposes. why so if it is such an acceptable way to present one's offering? could it be that is unfair, unreasonable, or unsafe?

just curious, RIJIMMY, and i'm most interested in your responses.

don't see the resemblance to rigging eels or live-lining them as that is one of thier purposes in life, the purpose of forage and being on the lower end of the "Circle Hook of Oceanic Life". Cow kukunnah matattah, bw !

[RIJIMMY]

Im FAR from informed on yo yo or chunkingm, but, I would ask Bill to chime in on how succesful he was livelining bunker from mid-July until Septemer. My guess in not very. Bass are deep in the day.
As far as the advantage of chunk vs, yo - perhaps a complete fish bouncing up and down is more appealing than a hunk of meat? No clue.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Never did it so don't know but, When you live-line a bunker don't they pretty much stay in the top few feet of the water column.

I can see where if your Yo-Yoing your getting it down 50-60 feet or more

[bloocrab]

....the reality of fishing is that you, all of you, put a hook through the mouth of a living thing, make it fight for its life just so you can have some fun, period....

The absolute TRUE-est statement I've seen on these boards in a LONG time.

Everytime you make a cast you risk the life of a fish in one way or another - There's No arguing that. At least with bait, albeit an eel, chunk or dead baitfish, you're leaving a possible prize for the fish if you don't land it. With plugs, the most the fish can get away with is it's life. There's another way to look at ............

[Clammer]

W O W ><><><>

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by bloocrab

The absolute TRUE-est statement I've seen on these boards in a LONG time.

Everytime you make a cast you risk the life of a fish in one way or another - There's No arguing that. At least with bait, albeit an eel, chunk or dead baitfish, you're leaving a possible prize for the fish if you don't land it. With plugs, the most the fish can get away with is it's life. There's another way to look at ............

Yeah unless the treble hook hooks the fishes mouth shut and then they can't eat till it rusts out, or the fish dies

[animal]

A lot of people don't seem to get this part.After you set the hook,the yo-yo breaks free from the hook.The fish then either spits out the pogie,or expels it from its gills.The loaded pogie is then picked up by a SECOND bass.Whether you suffer a break-off or hook pull,has nothing to do with anything.You can land and keep every bass you ever hook.The problem is the 2nd fish,she gets to live with the lead and skewer.

[RIROCKHOUND]

[QUOTE=BassDawg;=/QUOTE]
BD, I KNOW you mean well, but "Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt"?

Why why why do you chime in if you have never chunked or yo yo-ed or wire-lined or any other deep water boat technique for 'the great morone saxitilis'. You just absolutely showed that you have never live lined pogies for bass. How do you get the bait down to bass and past your 'boos'? Some guys 3-way, some guys add an egg sinker, some yo-yo. All add lead to the 'great Atlantic'

Yo-yoing just puts the lead inside the bait, thats the difference. It was banned at the MV tournament (they can say it is health reasons), but solid lead cannot, at a molecular level get into the meat and poison people, and yes there is some collateral damage as animal mentioned, I am certain, but wire line, and every other fishery has collateral damage. They banned it because, what is to stop someone from stuffing 3 of 4 yo-yo rigged pogies @2lbs each down the gullet of a bass; 42lbs becomes 48 or 50. '

Oops; I wasn't yo-yoing, must have already been inside that fish' thus it opens the door for cheating.

I chose not to rig them this way for bass (tuna yes) and do I know how, but truth be told I prefer to catch bass from shore, and save the boat for bottom fish, tuna and sharks.

What RIJim said a few replies below are true, even for a republican.

[stripermagnet]

one important thing to remember is that while fishing in over 50ft of water with a bunker about 12in long it is highly unlikely you will hook up with a 20in schoolie, the fish you get yo yoing are not babies

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by stripermagnet

one important thing to remember is that while fishing in over 50ft of water with a bunker about 12in long it is highly unlikely you will hook up with a 20in schoolie, the fish you get yo yoing are not babies

Again, see Animals post; MOST of the guys fishing yo-yo's are on HEAVY tackle, they arent hooking and releasing fish, they want to get 5 and get home. the problem is the busted off, non-caught fish.

Pat, you wrote a great article, but I'm worried you'll turn some of the light-tackle crowd into pin-hookers, and THEN these techniques will become a problem...

[stripermagnet]

i see the argument, however, just think of how many of the weighted pogies dont get eaten (sure some do). but i'm prob not the only one whose lost a fish because the fish felt the hook. now imagine a fish mouthing 8oz of lead plus a skewer

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by stripermagnet

i see the argument, however, just think of how many of the weighted pogies dont get eaten (sure some do). but i'm prob not the only one whose lost a fish because the fish felt the hook. now imagine a fish mouthing 8oz of lead plus a skewer

INSIDE a pogy; less likely to me than the fish feeling lead on a 3-way or egg-sinker.

[stripermagnet]

fair enough, however i appreciate yoyoing in the dog days of august

[animal]

I fish the yo-yo,so I'm not condemning it's use,however,the bass you land,does not contain a loaded pogie.The fish you see following it to the boat does.

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

Why why why do you chime in if you have never chunked or yo yo-ed or wire-lined or any other deep water boat technique for 'the great morone saxitilis'.

Bryan, my question was because of my ignorance in this particular method of "getting deep". i don't believe that you have to have done all the ways of deep water fishing for striped bass to formulate an opinion/theory, albeit informed or not. that is the purpose of asking questions isn't it? to become better informed about a certain subject, right?

Very good response, most educational, and if you reread the part about the MV Derby i think you'll find that i suggested that this method left room for unethical competition. that is all !

nice comments about my ineptitude, though.
whatever floats yer boat, trips your trigger,
or helps ya to sleep at night .

[BassDawg]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

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WOW, Jenn!

What have ya got against Rednecks?
They're people, too ya know...............
At least i didn't slam the caveman

[bloocrab]

WOW, Jenn!

Is there a post missing or sometin?? She don't normally slam somebody -

[Jenn]

Originally Posted by BassDawg

WOW, Jenn!

What have ya got against Rednecks?
They're people, too ya know...............
At least i didn't slam the caveman

Nothing against them....I are one!

Most days I may have found it funny but with the recent rash of temper flair ups around here leaving the post was tempting fate.....like I said tongue in cheek or not it had potential to provoke.....

[BassDawg]

That's COOL!
Just trying to add a little levity .