Get in line:another "Wind Farm" proposed

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

"Blue H USA", is proposing another wind farm 23 miles off the vineyard.

State waters is 3 miles....

Where else but Massachusetts do you get to start a business, and get free land with the best water view in the world to start a new endeavour.

Even on a clear day you'll never see these.

At least one thing is for certain, long liners and trawlers will be going elsewhere because they wont have any room to set thier gear out. That could be a good thing.

Eff the long liners. They can all sink for all I care.
And the trawlers don't drag that area much anymore.
Check whats open and whats closed.

Jungledog: the problem with Jimney as a model is they buy their electricity in bulk.
Its a "use it or lose it" situation.
I honestly doubt they've cut back how much electricity they buy yet with the windmill on location as if they go over their allowance they get hit VERY hard with huge fees.

Also forgot to add about Jimney is most (if not all) ski resorts the lifts/snowmaking and buildings power supply are off seperate feeds.
Lifts are getting bulk since well, they're all electric, and they use ALOT of electricity.
They're most likely feeding the lodges and ops buildings from the windmill.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by likwid

State waters is 3 miles....



Even on a clear day you'll never see these.



Eff the long liners. They can all sink for all I care.
And the trawlers don't drag that area much anymore.
Check whats open and whats closed.

Jungledog: the problem with Jimney as a model is they buy their electricity in bulk.
Its a "use it or lose it" situation.
I honestly doubt they've cut back how much electricity they buy yet with the windmill on location as if they go over their allowance they get hit VERY hard with huge fees.

Also forgot to add about Jimney is most (if not all) ski resorts the lifts/snowmaking and buildings power supply are off seperate feeds.
Lifts are getting bulk since well, they're all electric, and they use ALOT of electricity.
They're most likely feeding the lodges and ops buildings from the windmill.

I don't now about not seeing them. On a clear day I can see Nantucket from the Vineyard and that is 18 or 20 miles. 300 to 400 foot wind turbines I think will be visible.

I am less against them than what I used to be? Are they needed ya, no doubt. But I have a very serious problem about paying for them by giving free land to build them on, allowing for tax credits for up something like 700 millions dollars, which means the cost of building them is coming directly out of our pockets, and then I have to pay for the priviledge of receiving the energy the windmills generate down the road.

If I want to build a gas station I have to buy the land. If I want to own a grocery store I have to buy the land. This happens in every geo-political arena, be it conservative or liberal. That is the sponsership in some form or another of a business.

I would like to see a new law introduced that bars anyone who is trying start up a new business, such as windmills farms, but any new business be barred from donating money to anyone's campaign, hiring any consultants, (other than those who can literally help build the project, such as engineers), and hiring anyone connected to any elected official (hacks) in Massachusetts until the company has been up and running for five years from its completion date. Then we would see just how fast this type of venture would get done. If it is worthwhile then it would get put up quickly. If it wasn't worthwhile it would fall off the edge of the earth never to be heard from again. In other words keep the corruption/payoffs out of the process.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

If I want to build a gas station I have to buy the land. If I want to own a grocery store I have to buy the land. This happens in every geo-political arena, be it conservative or liberal. That is the sponsership in some form or another of a business.

Find me a nuclear power plant that had to pay for their land.

[Swimmer]

Originally Posted by likwid

Find me a nuclear power plant that had to pay for their land.

Plymouth did, I'll confirm that tomorrow, and I believe Seabrook did. Yankee I am not sure but I'll check with an accountant buddy who worked there for 20 years.

[MikeToole]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

If I want to build a gas station I have to buy the land. If I want to own a grocery store I have to buy the land. This happens in every geo-political arena, be it conservative or liberal. That is the sponsership in some form or another of a business.

.

Do you really want to sell the ocean floor to a private company. If they own it then they can say no fishing by the towers.

The normal practice is to lease them the land the problem is the government has a habit of making bad deals. But then aren't we looking for ways to reduce our oil use and reduce emissions to the air.

What nuclear plant paid for it's land? Most have paid more then 10 times the actual land value. Plus the millions in property tax each year. An even with that thanks to de-regulation the Northeast plant owners are making a ton of money and their still selling power to the grid cheaper then any of the coal, or or gas units.

[Slipknot]

I'd like to see Geo-Thermal energy plants.
They use it in Iceland to produce hydrogen, we can too.
The waste product from burning hydrogen is simply H2O, nice and clean. We need to cut our dependence on oil bigtime. Solar energy is another way to go. But geo-thermal does not seem like it's being utilized enough, Yellowstone could create enough energy to power our country if managed right I bet.

[beamie]

Build the wind farm. I am all for it. But it will not make your bill go down, may up. Don't forget about the upkeep involved. The only good thing is that it is a renewable energy. It may reduce the local area need for gas oil and coal slightly.

I also say invest more money in clean coal technology. This country has more coal reserves than the mid east has oil.

[Finatic]

I would rather see windmills in my back yard than stacks billowing smoke, chemicals and steam. I have been 200' from the base of windmills in PA and they are virtually silent. With oil and gas prices rising because we are hostages to oil producing nations, we just gotta do something smart for a change.
But, don't do anything where the piping plover's nest!

[Backbeach Jake]

Originally Posted by Slipknot

I'd like to see Geo-Thermal energy plants.
They use it in Iceland to produce hydrogen, we can too.
The waste product from burning hydrogen is simply H2O, nice and clean. We need to cut our dependence on oil bigtime. Solar energy is another way to go. But geo-thermal does not seem like it's being utilized enough, Yellowstone could create enough energy to power our country if managed right I bet.

You can heat your home with Geothermal now, Slip. Two wells and a heat pump. But ...the electricity bill for running two well pumps and a heat pump constantly would be a killer, I think.