required viewing tonight...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by striperman36

And the INC?? what a schill. Wasn't this Wolfewitz's end game to get Iraq?

It also was pretty much showing the departmental infight between CIA and Armed Services to be the hero.

We never should have taken on Iraq - AGAIN!!!

yes striperman. There was much mentioning of wolfowitz.


Jim, rather than think of me, think of your kids. because they are the ones that are going to be paying for this mess. Watch this show if you can handle it.. This show has nothing to do with democrats and nothing to do with me.. I think your head would spin.

[striperman36]

Most of the key players except Cheney are history's footnotes. Unfortunately, like NEBE says our future generations will pay for this and prior excursions into attempts to be the global police enforcers. It's not about representing the American way of Life however, like the Cold War pitched. I am not sure what it is, it certainly doesn't represent the American majority. Let's clean up LA and AL for Chrissakes. It's still looks like a war zone outside of the major cities.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by striperman36

It's not about representing the American way of Life however, like the Cold War pitched. I am not sure what it is, it certainly doesn't represent the American majority.

it was about securing OIL. It was also about billions of dollars in defense contracts.

would anyone in their right mind let a former coach of a NFL football team be a part of the referee team at the superbowl? No, because that is a conflict of interests. Think of who is in the whitehouse and then think of the conflict of interests going on...

[Joe]

We won the Cold War because the cost of keeping up with us in the arms race bankrupted the Soviets.
So the lesson of the Cold War was that you don't defeat a super power on the battlefield, you make them spend themselves into marginalization.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Joe

We won the Cold War because the cost of keeping up with us in the arms race bankrupted the Soviets.
So the lesson of the Cold War was that you don't defeat a super power on the battlefield, you make them spend themselves into marginalization.

and right now China is sitting back with a big smile on their face.

[PaulS]

I wanta see how much oil our military is using in Iraq. I bet its a good chunk of what was once excess capacity.

[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

I wanta see how much oil our military is using in Iraq. I bet its a good chunk of what was once excess capacity.

I don't think the US has had much excess capacity in many, many decades, but here's an interesting piece I found linked to from Army.com.

http://www.energybulletin.net/13199.html

The US Department of Defense (DoD) is the largest oil consuming government body in the US and in the world

“Military fuel consumption makes the Department of Defense the single largest consumer of petroleum in the U.S” [1]

“Military fuel consumption for aircraft, ships, ground vehicles and facilities makes the DoD the single largest consumer of petroleum in the U.S” [2]

According to the US Defense Energy Support Center Fact Book 2004, in Fiscal Year 2004, the US military fuel consumption increased to 144 million barrels. This is about 40 million barrels more than the average peacetime military usage.

By the way, 144 million barrels makes 395 000 barrels per day, almost as much as daily energy consumption of Greece.

The US military is the biggest purchaser of oil in the world.

[mekcotuit]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Jim, rather than think of me, think of your kids. because they are the ones that are going to be paying for this mess. Watch this show if you can handle it.. This show has nothing to do with democrats and nothing to do with me.. I think your head would spin.

Well said. I have seen the previous Frontlines that were incorporated into compiling this 2 part show. Everyone should try to watch tonight. It is just an absolute disgrace that we seem to be going along like sheep to slaughter as our country goes down the toilet due to the arrogance, selfishness and greediness of Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al.
I keep thinking that the biggest questions is - did the Iraqi people ask us for help in disposing of Saddam hussein? And five years later the answer is still NO. So why are we there?

Impeachable offenses are described in Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution, which defines executive powers. It states “the President, Vice President and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment for, and on conviction of, treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.”