Taxes

[GattaFish]

SPENCE....

This was based on where taxes, social security go and what I have seen on how some of it is spent,,, Not what you think I know about the global economy or where you think I have been.

Hell I even asked you what you think was b.s. so I could clarify it.

I never judged you or made some ridiculous comment about something you said as B.S. so before you were so closed minded and judged what I said maybe you should have just asked for some info like I pleasantly offered and if you did not agree kept your opinion to yourself instead of trying to belittle me.

Personally I don't care if you believe it or not. And if you don't thats fine... BUT, just don't think that because the rules say, or you have not read about something in this world that is it not happening and YOU are not paying for it.

I am sure the people that are paid by the gvt to do these jobs are not doing it because you have not read about it and it is not happing,,,, If that was the case I would still be sitting home...

It has nothing to do with all computer programmers not even the fault of people from India nor do I disagree with the number of foreign programmers this country needs. It is because India is one of the countries that account for a majority of H-1bs and lack Totalization agreements because they don't have Social Security systems. Therefore they don't pay SS while on their work visas.

They have just found that this scam was very common amongst the ones from India because of this and lets face it, they are smart (hence computer programmers not cab drivers) being the majority.. They simply found a way through the system, eventually working it to help their parents gain benefits. I never said EVERY programmer is doing it... ONLY that it was a scam and many of the ones that do live well.

The scam for SS is not instant as I put in the update post last night. But I guess you did not read that either and again the people that investigate it don't really exist so they don't collect paychecks from our tax dollars.

As far as the Mexican thing,,,, My girlfriend is a Beautiful Spanish women so that has nothing to do with it. There is no prejudice at all.

Also I think I said that we were carrying people to places other than Mexico... Just is case you have not read, many of the illegals from Mexico that make it to the U.S are flown to border towns (Laredo Texas, El Paso Texas, McAllen Texas) and bussed to the bridge or border then turned over... I don't have specifics on that because I don't drive that bus.

I also said many of the illegals come from places other than Mexico. And since these people are not from Mexico they are not Mexicans . But I guess that was something you did not know or read about...

It was not directed at any specific nationality ONLY the people we have carried. Of those people the majority have committed serious crimes and MANY if not most were child molesters, rapists and sex offenders not to mention theft and drug charges. Since I cannot post the passenger manifest for you to READ then I guess thats not really happening either....

As far as voluntary,,, If that is something you read then great... but last I checked there were no volunteers wearing cuffs and shackles.

Almost all of the people we carried have been arrested by Law Enforcement for CRIMES. We had two women yesterday (non-criminal) and both were raped during their journey to the U.S. One of them so many times she is now a schizo and requires medication and a shrink which the TAX payers have been paying for. The truly poor girl was a mess. Many others pay coyotes thousands for help to get into the U.S., spend roughly weeks making the journey, even tell the agents "see you next time" or "Is this where I make my u turn" when they take them off and you think they just volunteer to go home.... Some even have families still in the U.S. that have not been caught with no means of income.

wow,,, I must really not have clue...

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by GattaFish

Guess you don't get that they are running a scam on the government and getting away with it,,,, Because that is what it is,,, honestly I wish it was B.S. and so do the people track it. Unfortunately it takes time to cancel it. And yes there is a period of time to work but that is part of the scam.. I personally do not track or know every specific on it but it was described to me by the people that do as recently as Monday.

OK update.... I just asked one of the guys to give me more info on it,,,, He said it starts with a H-1b work visa.. The programmers come and work under that visa for 6 years then get their green cards... Mean while they never pay Social security taxes because India does not have a SS program (just like some other countries),,, They then get their Green card and the SS dept never recoups their taxes yet they immediately qualify for Social security and then pay SS tax and many stay in the U.S. as contributors.... But they run a scam with getting their parents here supposedly working on the same type h-1b visa for a period of time (6 years most of which is spent abroad) in which they really never work in the U.S. then once they get their green card they too qualify for SS and have never paid in,,,, now they go back to their country and live well,,,, and we pay for it,,,

Hope thats more clear..... It is kinda hard to explain and put it all into words. I have no idea about the Medicare.... I am sure you are right....



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I guess those people are commiting fraud and basically robbing me so what can our government do about it to press charges against them and return our money?

I am sick of paying 15% SS and medicare tax and risk not ever seeing a penny when it comes time for me to collect. I'd like to have a choice but unfortunately I do not.

Time for the government to make some changes to head off the scammers.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by GattaFish

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The scam for SS is not instant as I put in the update post last night. But I guess you did not read that either and again the people that investigate it don't really exist so they don't collect paychecks from our tax dollars.

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what people don't exist?

so nobody is investigating any of this?

[spence]

GattaFish,

You were the one saying that computer programmers from India were a "huge problem" so I'm assuming your're basing that on some facts or observations. Because someone somewhere has learned to scam the system doesn't mean it's rampant, nor is it directed at any one group.

Nor does your direct contact with criminals being escorted to the US border offer any real evidence to support the notion that would be criminals and child molesters are flooding across the border.

This isn't personal, I just think both these claims are BS

On another note, I've read that the rape issue is becoming a very serious problem among women being smuggled across the border. They are raped visciously to demean them and ensure they know they are powerless here.

It's sad.

-spence

[GattaFish]

Slip... They exist,,, that was an out of line sarcastic remark.....

I honestly don't know about the medicare part....

Originally Posted by spence

GattaFish,

You were the one saying that computer programmers from India were a "huge problem" so I'm assuming your're basing that on some facts or observations. Because someone somewhere has learned to scam the system doesn't mean it's rampant, nor is it directed at any one group.

Nor does your direct contact with criminals being escorted to the US border offer any real evidence to support the notion that would be criminals and child molesters are flooding across the border.

This isn't personal, I just think both these claims are BS

On another note, I've read that the rape issue is becoming a very serious problem among women being smuggled across the border. They are raped visciously to demean them and ensure they know they are powerless here.

It's sad.

-spence

Cool,,, back to a discussion,,,, and nothing personal either,,,

I will keep getting details and try to answer questions,,, and the Someone - Somewhere is someone who spent years investigating the scam and has recently moved to ICE.


As far a how huge a problem something is don't you think if there is money paying people to investigate an issue and money is being paid to people that don't deserve it, isn't that a HUGE problem,,, Especially since it is You and I as tax payers footing the bill,,,?

We all know that it takes millions of tax dollars just because it is the government.

As far as the people flooding the border all being criminals before they come,,, I do not know and highly doubt, nor do I think all illegals are criminals,,,,,,, because they are not,,,, Most only want an opportunity and pay dearly for that chance.

I am pretty sure I did not say everyone crossing the border was a criminal or child molester either, only that the majority of people we carried had that in their list off attractions and possibly you may have misinterpreted that.

Realistically speaking that is a large number but only a small percentage of illegals from any and all countries. Since the U.S. has their fair share of sex offenders the addition of more is not a fun thought,,,,

I do know that the majority of the people we have carried back are going back as criminals with the previously stated charges. Any doubt could quickly be erased if I could post the excel spreadsheet we get that is the passenger manifest, unfortunately I can't..

Some I have been told left their country for the U.S. to avoid jail just like some Americans do for Mexico,,,, nothing new there,,,,

The rape thing along the border is REALLY bad,,,, It is accompanied by many murders most never solved. The agents say that 30miles south of the border up to 15 miles north of the border are the areas that are the worst....

Hope that helps,,,

[spence]

I just get pissy when people other than myself make generaliztions.

I've never heard of Indian computer types abusing the system...and I work with a lot of them. None have parents in the US.

Regarding illegals, I never said you said there were criminals entering, but that illegal aliens were being deported because they had commited criminal acts while here. I belive the act of entering the country is a civil offence.

And can you post some pics of your GF? You're so full of chit I wonder if she really is that pretty

-spence

[GattaFish]

Originally Posted by spence

I just get pissy when people other than myself make generaliztions.

I've never heard of Indian computer types abusing the system...and I work with a lot of them. None have parents in the US.

And can you post some pics of your GF? You're so full of chit I wonder if she really is that pretty

-spence

Oh so now I see where I fall into your general category of B.S.

Your right they are good people,,,

Well since their parents are not in the U.S. maybe now, you know why ...

Besides they are not going to tell you they are scamming the govt,, They like your tax dollars,,,,,

Oh your hilarious,,, I see where this is going,,, I post a pic of her,,, and today she has clothes on,,,, tomorrow the pic is naked and all over the internet,,,,,,

[basswipe]

I just don't understand.

This country has a SPENDING problem not an income problem.We are in debt because we spend to much.We need to get rid of this idea of throwing money at everything will fix the problem.Eliminate the problem!

Unfortunately for us Shrillary,O(S)bama and McLame want to do nothing but spend money for their own agendas.

Stop spending!Stop spending!Oh did I mention stop spending.We(the US) have become a welfare state,we'll give to anyone.This is absurd.
Work for it dammit.You don't deserve it,you earn it.

Increasing taxes will not generate income(for the country)they keep the common guy from inputing into the economy.Increasing those taxes only makes us contribute less.The economy is on the verge of collapse.

Its too bad.Our way of life has almost run its course as far the US Constitution is concerned.Unfortunately the majority of Americans have let this happen through shear ignorance.We trust that someone else will take care of it.

The Mayans' said 2012 is the end.I'm actually starting to believe it.