How insane can things get....

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by likwid

I certainly wouldn't call a typical terribly off inner city family liberal either.

I was just pointing out that the problem of guns in schools is more of an inner city problem than a "foolish retarded right wing redneck" problem. I wasn't saying it's because of liberals, I was just pointing out that it's not necessarily because of conservatives. But if you feel better blaming a political party, who am I to stop you. Blame political parties, blame parents, blame the schools. In my opinion, if a kid is bringing a weapon to school, the kid is to blame. In the rare case of a young child who doesn't know any better, then I place the blame on the parents. But most of these cases are kids who are old enough to know that what they're doing is wrong.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by fishbones

In my opinion, if a kid is bringing a weapon to school, the kid is to blame. In the rare case of a young child who doesn't know any better, then I place the blame on the parents. But most of these cases are kids who are old enough to know that what they're doing is wrong.

I blame the parents.
Where were they?
What were they doing?
How did THIS get past them?
Were they just ignorant?

The Columbine idiots for example, how the HELL did the parents miss that these kids had a freaking arsenal?

Too busy cheering on war and praising Bush?
Too busy hugging trees and being war protestors?

Who the hell cares? They screwed up somewhere.

[Nebe]

what part of zero tolerance don't you guys understand?

If there was a zero tolerance drug policy at school and a kid was found with a digital scale and a box of zip lock bags and got suspended, would all of you be as outraged?

While it was only a casing, what if it was found laying on a class room floor and no one knew where it came from?

My point is, anything gun related has zero business belonging in a school environment period.

[FishermanTim]

Originally Posted by Nebe

what part of zero tolerance don't you guys understand?

If there was a zero tolerance drug policy at school and a kid was found with a digital scale and a box of zip lock bags and got suspended, would all of you be as outraged?

While it was only a casing, what if it was found laying on a class room floor and no one knew where it came from?

My point is, anything gun related has zero business belonging in a school environment period.

But then if we carry this thinking a bit farther, you won't be able to show ANY historical films, read any historical stories or hell, even show off any relatives medals that were earned in battle ALL BECAUSE THAY ARE GUN RELATED.

Sure, zero tolerance does have merit when applied logically and intelligently, but to blindly punish anyone for something like this makes me think that the zero tolerance is meant for they school officials intelligence.
Keep in mind that the child wasn't hiding the shell casing (he was PROUDLY showing it off a lunch), he wasn't a troubled youth, he wasn't doing anything that would raise a red flag (except maybe showing pride in remembering our forgotten vets).
I know, I know, you can't always tell which students will be the "psycho" ones. I'm sure that the school officials searched his locker, bookbag, and would be surprised if they didn't have his parents house searched all in the name of "Zero tolerance".

[Nebe]

to make that assumption is asinine. A movie is not a bullet casing.

[BillyBlanks]

I think this is just plain rediculous. What is even more rediculous is that in this state if that kid doesn't have an FID card he could also be considered a felon and could be facing jail time.

[FishermanTim]

I know that, but with the generalizing sweep that these zero tolerance policies cover, don't be surprised that some parent complains because the school shows a film covering ANY war in history, and they don't want their child exposed to that because it may "glorify" war. It's a reach, but if 1 parent can make a school cancel christmas shows or religious programs just because they don't like them, what makes you think this isn't possible?

Remember how we, as kids played "war" "cops and robbers" and "cowboys and indians" and no one got hurt? Well, if our parents and our society were as anally PC then as we are today, we'd be playing "house" and nothing else. Sure it may be blatantly over-exaggerated, but some of these "Zero tolerance" policies are just as blatant and over-exaggerated. To these schools that adhere to these policies, there is no gray area, there is only black and white, yes and no, and no room for questions.

I feel sorry for the student, who may have had a better appreciation for Memeorial Day and ALL of our soldiers that fought for or country, but now only sees that day as a black mark on his record all because he wanted to show off a souvenir he got from a Veteran.

[Nebe]

The problem Tim is how we got to this point. Where to you draw the line?? And more importantly, when did our society come to the point that kids have access to guns in the first place? If you ask me, parents need to be held accountable for their kids actions. If a kid brings a gun to school, not only is the kid punnished, but the parents should face a financial fine- say $500 for putting the school's population at risk. Parents dont like it? keep the guns and bullets locked up. Same with drugs.. kid gets busted with drugs... $500 fine. Money goes back into the school system.

Im not saying this specific case we're talking about should be a reflection of the parents, but the gun problem in general.

[maddmatt]

Originally Posted by Nebe

what part of zero tolerance don't you guys understand?

If there was a zero tolerance drug policy at school and a kid was found with a digital scale and a box of zip lock bags and got suspended, would all of you be as outraged?

maybe he was selling sandeels?

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I was just pointing out that the problem of guns in schools is more of an inner city problem than a "foolish retarded right wing redneck" problem.

I don't think Columbine was an inner city problem.

guns + schools = a problem anywhere~

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by fishbones
I was just pointing out that the problem of guns in schools is more of an inner city problem than a "foolish retarded right wing redneck" problem.

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I don't think Columbine was an inner city problem.

guns + schools = a problem anywhere~

I used the word "more" because I understand it happens all over. But if you look at statistics, there are more gun and other weapons charges in inner city schools. Columbine was a mass murder at a school in a suburb, but I wasn't only addressing murders and shootings. I was referring to guns being brought into schools in general.

And my post was really just to point out that likwid was off base with his politically based rant about conservative rednecks being the ones shooting up schools. And I'm pretty sure those dirtbags in Columbine weren't redneck conservatives.

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by fishbones

And I'm pretty sure those dirtbags in Columbine weren't redneck conservatives.

your right. But the redneck conservatives were the 1st ones to get shot