PLOVER dEAD-INVESTIGATION ENSUES

[tattoobob]

I know for a fact that the National fish and wildlife, the Marine fisheries and other groups watch these sites and all your dumb ass negative comments are noted. I keep in touch with them and if I want to know information or regulations I contact them. they always respond promptly and 9 out of 10 times they tell me they have been watching a thread on this or other sites.

also as a group it doesn't make look like we care about stewardship of the areas we want to access.

I know it is sore spot for most fisherman and beach goers but we need to be proactive not counteractive

[numbskull]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I know for a fact that the National fish and wildlife, the Marine fisheries and other groups watch these sites and all your dumb ass negative comments are noted.

DAMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNN!!!!!!! My file must weigh a ton!

[likwid]

Originally Posted by numbskull

DAMMMMMMMMNNNNNNNN!!!!!!! My file must weigh a ton!

To be honest, I wouldn't put it past half the people on this site to go and do what someone did.

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by likwid

To be honest, I wouldn't put it past half the people on this site to go and do what someone did.

then I feel sorry for you and your low opinion of the human race.



Those groups ought to expect some sarcastic comments when they publish an article talking about an autopsy or necropsy or whatever it was about a frikking small bird when it was found in a footprint dead, obviously it is gonna have some broken bones etc.
Naturally fishermen are going to make comments when they're frustrated by constant removal of access to the water. Maybe some of these members making comments actually do get involved to try and gain access in issues like beaches etc., I doubt anyone here would stomp on a plover nest on purpose.

[Saltheart]

Originally Posted by likwid

To be honest, I wouldn't put it past half the people on this site to go and do what someone did.

I don't believe anyone here , dispite the macho retoric , would intentionally hurt one of these birds. As soon as I read it I thought someone went into the area to take a leak , probably in the dark , and stepped on the poor bird. I'm not saying that excuses the excursion into the protected area but I am saying I do not think anyone here would really kill a plover intentionally , even if they do blame them for beach area closures.

[Mr. Sandman]

The problem is when this happens they shut everything down...it is a PIA! I heard Last week a yahoo ran over a protective cage and now they shut the beach down at night.

These birds are a nightmare IMO. The whole world revolves around them.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by Mr. Sandman

The problem is when this happens they shut everything down

Thats called "problem solved".

If people can't play nice and stay on their side of the line then its everyone to their corners.

Obviously people need to be treated like 5 year olds or sooner or later someone is going to screw it up for everyone.

[Bigcat]

Kill the plovers, save the seals

[Blitzseeker]

Ask any experienced ranger how they used to handle things back in the day, I have and here is the response.

If the birds were in an area near heavy truck or human traffic, they walk over with a shovel, scoop up the eggs and move them to a safer more out of the way location. No abandonment by momma and poppa birdies, birds were safer, beaches were not closed, happiness all around.

Sadly, in this day and age the common sense approach is illegal.

[tattoobob]

Originally Posted by Blitzseeker

Ask any experienced ranger how they used to handle things back in the day, I have and here is the response.

If the birds were in an area near heavy truck or human traffic, they walk over with a shovel, scoop up the eggs and move them to a safer more out of the way location. No abandonment by momma and poppa birdies, birds were safer, beaches were not closed, happiness all around.

Sadly, in this day and age the common sense approach is illegal.

And the only reason that this isn't happening now is the birders are stopping it. common sense is not in there agenda

[likwid]

Have you ever tried to put a baby robin back in its nest?

The parents something like 75% to 90% of the time abandon it after its been tampered with. Same thing with plovers and the eggs/chicks.

[Plum Crazy]

They should move them all to one place and lock it down tight.
Maybe they would return to that same place every year.
I think that the Plover has been given more than a fair chance to increase in numbers.
If they weren't made such a big deal of nobody would even give them a seconds thought.
I think they would do just fine with a few signs on the beach that say watch out for Plovers.
Things now are beyond extreme and slightly rediculous.
I can't believe they made such a big deal out of one dead chick.

[derf]

imho , what will happen the squished bird will wind up as the martyr for the audobon cause ;to shut the beaches down completely ..that is what happened at hatteras . the only bird that was ever run over was run over by the park service !! but the pic is plastered all over as just a dead chic in tire tracks !!
the truth doesn't matter to those folks