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Old 06-27-2008, 11:32 AM   #1
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Just another example of how Massachusetts is still the laughing stock of the rest of the nation, but continues to hold itself up to be better than the rest of the country....
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Just another example of how Massachusetts is still the laughing stock of the rest of the nation, but continues to hold itself up to be better than the rest of the country....
Please explain to me how the rep explaining what a defense attorney would do in ANY state makes Mass the "laughing stock" again?

Oh right, you can't, you're just looking for something to complain about.

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Old 06-28-2008, 08:39 AM   #3
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An attorney should only be able to attack an accusers credibilty if there is a past history of problems.

Much the same as a prosecutor cannot introducemany times the past history of the accused.

Fagan is a defense attorney who derives income from these trials and therefore should not be allowed to to campaign for or against or even vote on the issue. It should be an ethics violation. But .....................this is Massachusetts where everthing goes out the window even victims rights. Victims rights, in Massachusetts thats an oxymoron.

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But .....................this is Massachusetts where everthing goes out the window even victims rights. Victims rights, in Massachusetts thats an oxymoron.
Are we the only state with ruthless defense attorneys?

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Old 06-28-2008, 09:38 AM   #5
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Please explain to me how the rep explaining what a defense attorney would do in ANY state makes Mass the "laughing stock" again?

Oh right, you can't, you're just looking for something to complain about.
Please cite one incident where a defense attorney brought fire and brimstone down upon a molested 6 year old girl on the witness stand... This Rep was looking for face time.
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Please cite one incident where a defense attorney brought fire and brimstone down upon a molested 6 year old girl on the witness stand... This Rep was looking for face time.
Every rape case that involved a child with a defense attorney who knows his job that the death penalty was on the table.
This isn't some unique to only Massachusetts thing where lawyers are allowed assault the victim.

A defense attorney's job is to defend his client he/she doesn't care if he's guilty or innocent.

I really DO wonder sometimes if this is such an evil heathen state why do you all even live here? Its not like we live in some communist country where you have to ask for the state's permission to leave. Its not like this state will ever vote right, nor will gun ownership get more lax, and animals will be protected in national parks before you are.

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A defense attorney's job is to defend his client he/she doesn't care if he's guilty or innocent.

Then why do attorneys get paid up front, and return unused funds only after the case is disposed of. In the halls of justice the only justice is in the halls.

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Every rape case that involved a child with a defense attorney who knows his job that the death penalty was on the table.
This isn't some unique to only Massachusetts thing where lawyers are allowed assault the victim.

A defense attorney's job is to defend his client he/she doesn't care if he's guilty or innocent.

I really DO wonder sometimes if this is such an evil heathen state why do you all even live here? Its not like we live in some communist country where you have to ask for the state's permission to leave. Its not like this state will ever vote right, nor will gun ownership get more lax, and animals will be protected in national parks before you are.
Ok, but what about this. If you were on a jury, and the defense lays into an eight year old child on the witness stand during cross, how do you think that jury would view the defense team? Like a bunch of thugs?

If a defense attorney were to verbally barrage a child like that in front of a jury or any normal human being, he/she will have lost the jury, don't you think...?

And as far as Massachusetts goes, I would love to try living elsewhere, but, I'm 14 years into a career that requires me to work 32, so.... I've made my bed, have to lie in it. I might be wrong, and I'm sure you'll let me know if I am, but wasn't this state losing population as of the most recent census?
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Ok, but what about this. If you were on a jury, and the defense lays into an eight year old child on the witness stand during cross, how do you think that jury would view the defense team? Like a bunch of thugs?
And what happens when the kid admits it wasn't dad/uncle bob/the teacher and it was someone else because they had threatened to kill the kid if they ever told?

Don't get the wrong, I don't think its nice or fair or anything else, but AS PART OF THE JURY I want to be absolutely 100% sure of the decision I'm going to make. Sorry, I'm not going to say guilty unless everything points to yes.

But hey, where were people trying to do right thing 40 years ago when RAPE WAS IGNORED or OBVIOUSLY the woman/child was lying?

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but wasn't this state losing population as of the most recent census?
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You're not supposed to go onto a jury and vote with your feelings. If you do you failed as a juror. "Oh well that defense attorney was mean, that means the defendant must be guilty".

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