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08-20-2008, 10:27 AM
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must find the fish
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North Shore Ma
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thanks tdf and salty. (i do have access to one of yer 2.5s)
i understand the weight to depth/current factors.. i just cant figure out exactly what the lure it self is supposed to be doing. i was always under the impression that it was supposed to come in straight with no action. which never made sense to me unless it was topwater. as i have heard that sometimes just the v-wake is enough. after about 4 casts of that though i start with the twitches. it just doesn't seem right that a fish would chase a stick that did nothing. until just now though i had no idea what kind of action i was lookin for. now that i think about it. i suppose its pretty versatile. they are pretty much hard sluggos. and could probably be fished in just as many ways. hopefully some more insight when i get back from the surf. i'll give it a whirl while i'm there. can't hurt.
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There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process. ~Paul O'Neil, 1965
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08-20-2008, 10:36 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1
i just cant figure out exactly what the lure it self is supposed to be doing.
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Kinda like when a Smokin Babe comes walking by....she saunters by slowly and as she goes by, and you look, you notice the sexiest little wiggle.  |
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08-20-2008, 11:10 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston, PRofMA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1
just the v-wake is enough. after about 4 casts of that though i start with the twitches. it just doesn't seem right that a fish would chase a stick that did nothing.
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I've always wondered that as well but I suspect it does a little underneath w/ the treble hooks and tail wiggling from the current and you're dragging it.
Some needlefish do wiggle more...the ones w/ the flat faces.
The less wiggle probably makes it look more like a wounded fish gasping for air. |
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08-20-2008, 11:45 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2000
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Here is a link to a Needle article I wrote awhile back – hopefully it should be OK to post as it’s from a sponsor of this site.
http://www.saltwateredge.com/info/ZAM.html
I’ve never met a needlefish plug I didn’t like. All mentioned in this thread have produced for me and many others. Salty handed me a “full moon special” this winter that has more than lived up to his description. Received a few homemades from Numbskull that are now a staple in my plug bag which only carries 8 plugs – for George’s plug to break into my rotation says it all.
So much to learn and I haven’t even mentioned “soft needlefish” imitations that have quietly racked up some incredible scores for me and others.
One more thing about lack of action – even though your needlefish may not have any discernable wiggling - it’s still the right “action” to the bass.
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DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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08-20-2008, 11:58 AM
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Steve "Van Staal"
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cranston
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What's a "full moon special"?
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08-20-2008, 12:04 PM
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Steve "Van Staal"
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Cranston
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Speaking of needlefish plugs, nobody has mentioned Rhody's Mark Ducharme. He makes a great plug which often times out fishes all others.
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08-21-2008, 08:34 AM
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Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Narragansett
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
Speaking of needlefish plugs, nobody has mentioned Rhody's Mark Ducharme. He makes a great plug which often times out fishes all others.
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Steve, I'm a fan of Mark's needlefish, but the only place I've seen them retailed is at Twin Maples on BI. Does anyone on the mainland sell his lures? |
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08-20-2008, 12:06 PM
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Canceled
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
What's a "full moon special"?
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Coming from Salty that could be pretty scary |
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08-20-2008, 12:50 PM
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must find the fish
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North Shore Ma
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never mind.. now i have no needles.. 
went out tossed a couple plugs in the rocks.. nothing on top of nothing.. so ok.. winds in my face. needle will sail on out there, and well i need to practice. tried all the above with twitches and what not variable speeds. nothin. but i noticed i could reach over the rocks into a bit deeper sandy bottom.. so lets see what happens when i drag it through the sand kickin up a sand trail.. 3 cranks into my second attempt with that. the unmistakable double tugg of a fish that couldnt commit. so now im excited! next cast, great im stuck on the edge of the rocks.. boink. knot of the leader gives. (i tried a new type i just learned  ) and now the needle is back in the EXACT same spot i found it. (give or take 50ft)
guess ill actually hafta buy a few now that i figured out a use for them.
and my buddy has that midnight special salty. i think i like it more than he does.. i think i tried trading the swimmer of the same paint type with him right after we bought them. |
There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process. ~Paul O'Neil, 1965
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08-20-2008, 01:05 PM
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must find the fish
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: North Shore Ma
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oh and hey DZ just finished reading that write up. good stuff. it actually filled in all the blanks i had when it comes to needles. thank you!  |
There he stands, draped in more equipment than a telephone lineman, trying to outwit an organism with a brain no bigger than a breadcrumb, and getting licked in the process. ~Paul O'Neil, 1965
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08-20-2008, 06:19 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Dec 2000
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve
What's a "full moon special"?
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Steve,
Salty Bugger gave me one that is very dark blue/purpleish with glow eyes and reflective tint in the finish. I don't normally use dark patterns during the bright moon but his needle has produced well. Not sure what pattern he calls it but the phrase "full moon special" is my description of it. Salty? Chime in.
As far as Ducharmes Needles - some good things are best left in my bag. Geez their good.
DZ |
DZ
Recreational Surfcaster
"Limit Your Kill - Don't Kill Your Limit"
Bi + Ne = SB 2
If you haven't heard of the Snowstorm Blitz of 1987 - you someday will.
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08-20-2008, 06:28 PM
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Also known as OAK
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DZ
Steve,
As far as Ducharmes Needles - some good things are best left in my bag. Geez their good.
DZ
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Yes they are.... |
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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08-20-2008, 06:28 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Boston
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Originally Posted by DZ
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Thanks for the link and enjoyed the read. |
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