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Thats my problem.
Asking for her to pray for the soldiers safe return, etc. I think is fine. If it is a task from God, I end up hearing it as a blues brothers quote. That talk has no place in politics IMHO.
Belief in God is not a bad thing, it's not my thing, but I have Zero problem with it.
I have huge issues with the evangelical and similar influence on the Repubs. while at the basic level, we are a Judeo-Christian based society, we still need to not be saying we are tasked by god to go to war!
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"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
we still need to not be saying we are tasked by god to go to war!
Osama (thats right yall, not Obama) & Zawahiri feel the same way about what they do... god has ordained them to fight Americans and yada yada yada... its all gods will. And that is considered by most (including muslims) to be radical sunni islam with no place in 21st century islam.
Now by the same standard Jim, Is Sara Palin a radical pentecostal?
you ALL assume she meant the war. Did you consider she may have meant bringing peace to a nation that has been oppressed for decades? Isnt protecting innocent people a task for God?
She CHOOSES to be religious, she BELIEVES her country is right in the war, she believes God favors her country. This was NOT a political speech, it WAS A CHURCH GRADUATION!
I will end with another quote by IMHO the only democrat worth metioning, this is his innauguration address - Can you Imagine if he said this today?
We do not distrust the future of essential democracy. The people of the United States have not failed. In their need they have registered a mandate that they want direct, vigorous action. They have asked for discipline and direction under leadership. They have made me the present instrument of their wishes. In the spirit of the gift I take it.
In this dedication of a Nation we humbly ask the blessing of God. May He protect each and every one of us. May He guide me in the days to come.
Source: Franklin D. Roosevelt, Inaugural Address, March 4, 1933
My point being, that if Gods task was to bring peace to the region why did the guy running the show declare that task was achieved when it was obvious that the worse was yet to come. he was more than happy just going there and making things go Boom.....he wasn't thinking about peace in the area....just a piece of the area.
so let me get this straight too...its OK for us to go over there and give "hand-outs" to the people in Afghanistan and Iraq...hmmm thats so Liberal of you.
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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY
Can you guys stay on topic? What the heck does that have to do with it?
I wonder how much food, shelter and other neccesities our troops in Afghanistan and Iraq have brought to the people there?
"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
For what its worth, Bush stated that we are in war under gods will as well.. he said it a few years ago and my head almost exploded..
Under god's will is a heck of a lot diferent than saying 'let god guide us' gods will means some whack job thinks he has a special Tom Tom that can comunicate with the man upstairs.. sorry... But.. all of the christian radicals who read the bible word for word are having orgasms over all of this talk...
religion should stay at home and in the church... not in the whitehouse. Same thing goes for oral sex and cigars..
Lincoln's second innuaural address, another wacko like FDR that got us in a war! Look how many times he mentions God! Like freeing the slaves was God's work! Somehow history forgot this guy was republican.......and VERY religious
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes.
"Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him?
Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
The food and shelter part of the game has all been privatized, even with respect to housing troops. Not to mention, I don't think the US Military should be the red cross either or for that matter providing social services and humanitarian assistance. Rather they are ensuring the security of the place so that these services can be provided by other organizations.
Bill Clinton - another religious wacko!
So in this pulpit, on this day, let me ask all of you in your heart to say: We will honor the life and the work of Martin Luther King. We will honor the meaning of our church. We will, somehow, by God's grace, we will turn this around. We will give these children a future. We will take away their guns and give them books. We will take away their despair and give them hope. We will rebuild the families and the neighborhoods and the communities. We won't make all the work that has gone on here benefit just a few. We will do it together by the grace of God.
my "anger" with the religious angle was sarcasm. I was proving to you that some of the most famous, and liberal, politicians have used God and prayer in the speeches, Clinton, Lincoln and FDR speak of his (or her?) will.
However Palin si some crazy religious sealot that believes the war is a task of god to destroy muslims.....
my "anger" with the religious angle was sarcasm. I was proving to you that some of the most famous, and liberal, politicians have used God and prayer in the speeches, Clinton, Lincoln and FDR speak of his (or her?) will.
However Palin si some crazy religious sealot that believes the war is a task of god to destroy muslims.....
RIJIMMY, you're completely missing the point and mixing references to god.
A big difference between doing right by God, and believing you're doing God's will. Sure reads to me like she was thinking the later, and every government official who's said anything similar has taken it hard for their words. She's speaking to a lot of influential minds in that video.
There are a lot of influential evangelicals (and non evangelicals) who do believe this is a Christian vs Muslim issue.
the main issue is that her speech was not about one issue concerning this country...only attacks, slogans and spin...how about the economy? how about how we are actually going to 'win' the war in iraq since 'victory is in sight', or about energy policy since there is no greater friend to the saudis and the oil industry than the republican party, how about regaining our standing in the world which has been so bungled these past 8 years...great speech? maybe well delivered but absolutely void of anything important...scary that this country could be swayed by that...
I think your post should be in the other thread about the speech, but amen to that! and what the hell is she talking about "Obama wants to make sure we read them their rights"
yeah and he's also for increasing troops in Afghanistan to actually go after Al-Queda, something this adminstration has pretty much put on the back burner
The problem we are having in Afghanastan, and I may be wrong is that the areas we secure are fine. But the areas that are being secured by other nations are a problem. Pakastan is also the problem because we can't go in there. I'm not sure it's as simple as just sending over a few thousand more troops and problem solved. Jeez, this Obama sounds like he's a war munger.
The problem we are having in Afghanastan, and I may be wrong is that the areas we secure are fine. But the areas that are being secured by other nations are a problem. Pakastan is also the problem because we can't go in there. I'm not sure it's as simple as just sending over a few thousand more troops and problem solved. Jeez, this Obama sounds like he's a war munger.
The problem we're having in Afghanistan is that it's a tribal country where everybody is out for their own interest. Take a few hundred thou from the CIA then laugh while you sell opium and let the Taliban run through your back yard.
We can't be everywhere at once, it's why they call Karzi the Mayor of Kabul!
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