New Hate Crimes Law? - Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

BigFish · 10-22-2008, 04:39 PM

Isn't it a "hate crime" when you attack anyone????

Its done with malice???

Slingah · 10-22-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

Isn't it a "hate crime" when you attack anyone????

Its done with malice???

Im pretty sure it is if you attack a particular person....black, gay...etc.

BigFish · 10-22-2008, 04:54 PM

If I attack a white guy...its not a hate crime??? I am poking fun at the entire scenario of "Hate Crime Laws"........its funny because if I do attack a white guy, and me being white, it would not be called a hate crime.......just something to do to pass the time I guess!

Slingah · 10-22-2008, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

If I attack a white guy...its not a hate crime??? I am poking fun at the entire scenario of "Hate Crime Laws"........its funny because if I do attack a white guy, and me being white, it would not be called a hate crime.......just something to do to pass the time I guess!

in your case, yes....you hate everybody..

wheresmy50 · 10-23-2008, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFish

If I attack a white guy...its not a hate crime??? I am poking fun at the entire scenario of "Hate Crime Laws"........its funny because if I do attack a white guy, and me being white, it would not be called a hate crime.......just something to do to pass the time I guess!

Right, of course. If you beat someone to death with a hammer, there is probably some anger involved. Hopefully you'll go to jail for a very long time.

If you beat someone to death with a hammer, and that person is a memeber of a protected group (the point of the article is that the homeless are not yet a member of that group) and you have prejudicial thoughts which have caused you to do what you did (maybe a lawyer can straighten me out on the actual criteria) then you've committed something worse in the eyes of some law makers.

It's all BS intended to get votes from bleeding heart types. Crimes should be prosecuted based on the act and circumstances, not on what you are thinking.

Even GWB, who's supporters admit is not a good public speaker, killed Al Gore on this point in one of the debates. When Al Gore mentioned that the attackers of the black man who was drug to death behind a pickup in Texas were not prosecuted under hate crimes laws, Bush said (paraphrasing) "We executed them, what more should we have done"?.

The Dad Fisherman · 10-23-2008, 08:33 AM

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It's all BS intended to get votes from bleeding heart types. Crimes should be prosecuted based on the act and circumstances, not on what you are thinking.

Isn't the difference between 1st and 2nd dergree murder.....what you're thinking.

I am either planning or thinking about killing someone vs. coming home and finding the mrs. screwing around and get mad and kill them.

I'm sure there is some substantial legal language that define the 2 but I think that's the rough difference.

Swimmer · 10-23-2008, 08:59 AM

There are enough laws on the books to handle anything that comes along. They legislators could tweaked the ones we have, so they work better certainly.

As far as the homeless goes. They are a voting body. They roll out of the shelters and vote. If one group of the electorate could count on thier votes by enacting this then they could also count on thier votes.

Swimmer · 10-23-2008, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Isn't the difference between 1st and 2nd dergree murder.....what you're thinking.

I am either planning or thinking about killing someone vs. coming home and finding the mrs. screwing around and get mad and kill them.

I'm sure there is some substantial legal language that define the 2 but I think that's the rough difference.

The difference is premeditated or not, and the jury gets to decide that if the person is charged with 1st degree murder.

The Dad Fisherman · 10-23-2008, 09:50 AM

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The difference is premeditated or not, and the jury gets to decide that if the person is charged with 1st degree murder.

Isn't Premeditated planning it...like I said.

Your pointing out that we agree

wheresmy50 · 10-27-2008, 04:37 PM

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Isn't the difference between 1st and 2nd dergree murder.....what you're thinking.

I am either planning or thinking about killing someone vs. coming home and finding the mrs. screwing around and get mad and kill them.

I'm sure there is some substantial legal language that define the 2 but I think that's the rough difference.

No, not really. Planning is an action - even if it exists in your brain. They're trying to differentiate between an act of passion and one that was planned, meaning the events leading up to the act were different. A lawyer could certainly do a much better job of differentiating this, and I'm sure there's a mistake in there somewhere.

Hate crimes laws take the same exact crime, which is planned or unplanned, try to change it based on whether or not the person is a member of a protected group, and whether or not you had hateful thoughts about that person. So, first of all it's racist, since it's legally impossible for a black to commit a hate crime against a white, yet it's certainly possible for blacks to have racist thoughts against whites. Second, the law tries to tell you what you're allowed to think in a round about way. You can think racism is wrong if you want, and I'm not going to disagree, but my blood starts to boil a little when the government tries to make it illegal to believe something.