Why I Won't Vote For OBAMA

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Flaptail

Seperation of church and state, isn't that called for in our constitution?

The Christian fundamentalist movement is a business, a money making machine, Creflo Dollar (I just luv that name) preaches that through his ministry and being born again it wil bring your prosperity thriough Christ in the form of spiritual healing and manifest itself into personal wealth meaning money and material things. It sure has worked for him, he lives in a multi million dollar home(s) and drives a couple Rolls-Royces, 1000 dollar suits and 12000 dollar watches.

Praise Jesus Y'all!!!!!'

If this country, as Jerry Falwell wanted is someday under the control of Born again Christian Fundamentalists then kiss free thought goodbye, kiss privacy and free speech goodbye,
If that happens I ahope I am either dead or able to leave, in sadness, what was once this great nation.

Christian fundamentalist takeover of the goverment is equal to what Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaida wnat for Saudi Arabia, Afgahnistan and other middle east countries.

The bible, though it has some good lessons on a few things is for the most part a fable, deived from some ancient text and perverted into what ever was needed and however it could be said to control large parts of a mostly uneducated population in the middle ages and since it worked then is still mostly unchanged since.

Feed then to the lions while it is not to late.

I know God, and this isn't the way he planned it.

what does this have to do with the topic?
Again, I am not religious, but see how quickly a lefty (sorry flap) lashes out at religion? Its free thought as long as you agree with me.
"independent thought in based on scinece fact rather than religious science fiction"
see how you dismiss other peoples views as science fiction? So who is really the threat to free thinking? Fundamentalists or Liberals?

[scottw]

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
–Norman Thomas in 1969, former U.S. Socialist Party Presidential Candidate

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by scottw

“The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.”
–Norman Thomas in 1969, former U.S. Socialist Party Presidential Candidate

Or rather as Bush has put it "to save the free market" and "ease the credit freeze".

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

what does this have to do with the topic?

This whole thread is about letting Religion dictate who you vote for......

[scottw]

you are assuming that religeon dictates who people vote for and that's quite a leap....if you are Catholic, Jew, Black Liberation Theologist, Tree Worshiper and you vote the right way...OBAMA....everything is cool...but if you vote the wrong way...NOT OBAMA...then you are a religeous zealot and you only vote the way that your religeous leaders tell you to and probably based on abortion....oh, and you are a RACIST...huh?

Catholics and Jews are probably split pretty evenly between candidates, in fact Obama was leading among Catholics according to a poll yesterday(need to run some more infanticide commercials)...Obama has locked up the BLT's the Tree Worshipers and the Radical Muslims as well....oh, and the God/Jesus Deniers.....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are assuming that religeon dictates who people vote for and that's quite a leap.....

What Leap??? This is exactly what was posted in the 1st post of the thread.

Originally Posted by LT. DAN 2

Why a Christian Can Not Vote for Obama

The below was written by Huntley Brown and I agree with many parts (but not all) of his point of view.......and yes Spence I am affected by some subjects I read especially in the religious realm..

Huntley Brown is a fabulous concert pianist, man of God and is a black man.



Why I Can't Vote For Obama

By Huntley Brown

Dear Friends,

First I must say whoever wins the election will have my prayer support. Obama needs to be commended for his accomplishments but I need to explain why I will not be voting for him.

Many of my friends process their identity through their blackness.

I process my identity through Christ. Being a Christian (a Christ follower) means He leads I follow. I can't dictate the terms He does because He is the leader.

I can't vote black because I am black, I have to vote Christian because that's who I am. Christian first, black second. Neither should anyone from the other ethnic groups vote because of ethnicity. 200 years from now I won't be asked if I was black or white. I will be asked if I knew Jesus and accepted Him as Lord and Savior.

I'm pretty sure the whole basis of this post...and Thread is about basing your decision on your religious beliefs.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

What Leap??? This is exactly what was posted in the 1st post of the thread.
I'm pretty sure the whole basis of this post...and Thread is about basing your decision on your religious beliefs.

That and exit poll data in 2004 that showed more people voted for GWB b/c of 'Moral Issues', (specifically abortion and gay marriage) then for terrorism, war in Iraq etc...
If it dictates it at all, it is too much!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

That and exit poll data in 2004 that showed more people voted for GWB b/c of 'Moral Issues', (specifically abortion and gay marriage) then for terrorism, war in Iraq etc...
If it dictates it at all, it is too much!

that's great...you have the 2004 exit polls right at your disposal but can't locate the 1st Ammendment to the Constitution haaaa
let me help you:
Congress shall make no Law respecting and establishment of Religeon or Prohibiting the free exercise thereof....

I think Obamaism is clearly a religeon that the socialist/marxist left would like to establish through the Congress and a clear affront to our Constitution and it's First Ammendment

I hate it when people get involved or vote in "Moral Issues", there's way too much morality around these days....

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

I hate it when people get involved or vote in "Moral Issues", there's way too much morality around these days....

I would been happier if people had voted for GWB because they thought he would keep them safer from terrorists or better the economy or some other logical reason. Instead they voted for him because Tommy might want to marry Johnny or because some women want to be able to choose to have an abortion. Wow. what a terrible, terrible world that would be...

[Joe]

I was helping my son with his religon homework last night and there was a part on Human Rights, down from the Right To Life (the most important human right) they were other rights: like the Right To Healthcare, Work, and Housing.....I did not know that was all part of the Catholic Belief System. Its strange how some rights are embraced and others are ignored.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

What Leap??? This is exactly what was posted in the 1st post of the thread.


I'm pretty sure the whole basis of this post...and Thread is about basing your decision on your religious beliefs.

no, you assume that he can't vote for Obama because his religeon but in fact he won't vote Obama because of his "value system" which happens to be Christian in it's roots and a large part of who he is...

WHAT IS YOUR VALUE SYSTEM???
can you define it or do you just play it by ear...

I don't oppose abortion or gay marraige because my "religeon" instructs me to...I oppose them because I believe that they are wrong regardless of religeous influences....

Are you like Nebe and think noone should tell anyone else what to do or how to live their lives...talk about juvenile...a functional society dictates that this be done to some extent, the argument is all about where the lines should be drawn on various issues...much easier to tell those that disagree with you to keep their values to themselves than to have to debate the merits of your own....

this is the game that the secular left plays with the whole "Separation" thing....you need to leave your religeon at the voting booth door and therefore in many cases your value system out of your voting decisions???

Your secular value system is somehow more legitimate than my Christian based value system??? Oh, that's right...you use your brain and I don't think, I just do what I'm directed to do my my "religeon"....

I sit a few feet away from our Senate Majority Leader at church each week, we are not likely to agree on many issues and vote very differently in the voting booth and I assume we both vote based on what we deeply believe however different, the fact that we both vote in opposite directions tells me that our "religeon" has not dictated our decisions...I can't ever remember our Church giving any voting instructions.....but I bet Obama's church is giving plenty....

the left would say that our esteemed SML did not bring their "Religeon" into the voting booth and that I in turn did....this allows them to delegitimize my vote in their minds....sneer and look down their noses at those that they perceive as voting strictly as they are instructed to by their "religeon"....


DAD....."and I bet if I went to my Priest and said I voted for somebody that supported abortion and wanted to be excommunicated.....he'd try his best to talk me out of it.

This whole thread is about letting Religion dictate who you vote for"......


if you approach your Pastor and stick out your tongue and tell him you voted for someone that supports infanticide and want to be excommunicated...you very well might get excommunicated...
if you are honestly seeking forgiveness or counsel...you'll probably get that as well.....


lot's of religeous bigots out there...

[Nebe]

scott.. could you please describe the GOP value system over the past 8 years please?

help me out here because if you think that the GOP has a value system that is worth voting for, then I am missing something

Unbelievable.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Nebe

scott.. could you please describe the GOP value system over the past 8 years please?

help me out here because if you think that the GOP has a value system that is worth voting for, then I am missing something

Unbelievable.

Neb, just throwing this out there, from what I've heard - the past 8 years
1. We have goven more $ to Africa fro AIDS than ever before
2. WE have had more minorites and women in senior level positions than ever before
3. Gulp...apparnelty we've had more poor people owning homes....


I agree Busk sucks, but when you throw stuff out there back it up, what "value" system has the GOP damaged in the past 8 years?