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Old 10-29-2008, 08:51 AM   #1
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$30 - $40 is not that much money to a lot of people.

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Old 10-29-2008, 08:52 AM   #2
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$30 - $40 is not that much money to a lot of people.
thats goign to change VERY quickly

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Old 10-29-2008, 08:59 AM   #3
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thats goign to change VERY quickly
True. No more orders from guys who work for Lehman Brothers and don't care what the total is.

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Old 10-29-2008, 09:50 AM   #4
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Hey,

It seems the plugs are being made to "catch" the angler and not the fish.
My feeling is you could fish with a 6 inch piece of broom stick if it has the correct action combined with the right retrieve. Fish don't care if it has blue paint with scales and sparkles and you can see your reflection on the side of it. A few times in the rocks and that shine is gone.

My current plugging bag is mostly home made, poppers and dannys. I have several metal lip swimmers from the mid 70's and they still catch fish. Here is a bunch I made and I used this year...nothing fancy.

The prices for some of those plugs are just too much. I can appreciate the hand made craftsmanship (also made here in US is good) but the prices are just too much for me.

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Old 10-29-2008, 10:06 AM   #5
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Yeah, it's getting ridiculous. I don't care if Jesus himself made them $35.00 for a Beachmaster is out of bounds. Cms in New Bedford told me of this a month or so ago and he isn't carrying them anymore. It was a hassle just to get them into the shop the way you have to do business..

To bad, I thought Bobby was a great guy and had many great phone conversations with him, don't know what could account for this.

Why even try.........
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Old 10-29-2008, 10:38 AM   #6
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$35 is not a normal retail for a Beachmaster Danny. It was a small batch of plugs the SWE bought (not from Beachmaster) and we had to pay more for them, so inherently the price is higher. They are available to those that want them.

If we had bought them directly from Beachmaster the price would be quite a bit less.

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Old 11-22-2008, 02:07 AM   #7
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True. No more orders from guys who work for Lehman Brothers and don't care what the total is.
Yeah, the bubble has burst and the party is pretty much over. Looks like prices have stabilized and are actually beginning to drop a little. Like the man said, it's the economy, stupid.

To me it seems that there were three types of guys who were driving the plug market.

First there are the guys who appreciate the craftsmanship and skill of the plugmakers past and present. It really is an art form, much like carved duck decoys and I think there are those particular 'boutique' builders whose work will pretty much hold it's value. With the downturn it may drop a little but they will always have some worth from that perspective.

I always used to marvel watching Habs, the amount of time and care he took to produce his plugs. He loved what he did, he was proud of it and it showed. I never thought the hard work he put into his plugs then was reflected in the price he charged for them. If Habs could see what they fetch today, I think he'd just shake his head and laugh - but without a doubt he also would have been proud that people thought so much of them. For people who actually fish them - which includes me - they put fish on the beach like few others. And now it appears the same is true of John Jr. who has picked up where his Dad left off - it's that same level of committment and hard work.

Then there are the guys who swap them like commodities traders and they create their own market. Although it's increased somewhat, I don't see it as often here at S-B, but on some of the other sites it's a circus, largely driven by kids - oops, kids to me, anyway - who flip them like baseball cards, make a couple of bucks and then buy some more. It doesn't seem to me that they fish them, if at all, or intend to. I seriously doubt you'd find them in their bag if they have one. Also included in that group are perhaps older guys who don't have the chance to fish as much living away from the coast and maybe looking to buy a little extra mojo to up their odds.

The last group are the trust fund kids and broker types who have 'discovered' surf-casting, having moved on from windsurfing, which is now passe, or perhaps high-end fly-fishing. They're fairly easy to spot, with high-end reels in 'steal me' gold, all the accoutrements money can buy and the Brahman attitude to go with it. A lot of them will eventually get bored with it and move on to the next big thing, or suddenly find they have to divest themselves of some of this stuff now that the bubble has burst. A few may be able to duck and cover. Having dealt with that particular group in Newport all my life, I see very few in that last category, regardless of what they may think.

So...uhhh...what's the point?

Point is, it doesn't matter - whatever floats your boat.

Years ago I ran into Seldom Brown, an older gentleman in his late 70's at the time, who once fished with bamboo surf-rods and 12 thread linen line on a thumb-stall reel. He had also been a machinist and made his own molds for the tin squids he poured and fished with. I still have a couple of them today.

We were standing in the lot overlooking Graves Point on the Drive talking about the pick that morning and watching a fly-fisherman flail away into a head wind with little success and I commented on how unlikely he was to do anything at that point.

You know, Mr Brown told me, for him it doesn't really matter whether he catches or not. He spent all winter tying his flies, getting everything just right and thinking about today to pass his time just like we do. It's all about the anticipation. And if that's what helps him pass his time, there's nothing wrong with it.

Smart man.

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Old 10-29-2008, 09:18 AM   #8
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$30 - $40 is not that much money to a lot of people.
You sound like my Kids....

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