How many more...

[JoeP]

Originally Posted by bssb

you can all say what you want, fact of the matter is in less than one week we will have a democraticly controled white house and congress and the republican party will be irrelevant. that being said, I like ranting to all you republicans. this counrty was founded on our ability to non-violently argue our opposing views. I believe everyone has a right to their opinion( no matter how flawed I believe that opinion to be). I encourage everyone to go out and vote for the canidate of thier choice. and yes I do dislike most republicans.

Wow am I glad you are a spokesman for the far left that has taken over control of the Democratic Party - your "points" say it all and validate many of us Republicans' points...

Oh no, a prayer in school, how horrible , the insanity of it all.

And by the way you may think you are getting a democratically controlled Obama Whitehouse but you'll soon realize (but I'm sure will never admit) that you just bought socialism!

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by JoeP

Wow am I glad you are a spokesman for the far left that has taken over control of the Democratic Party - your "points" say it all and validate many of us Republicans' points...

Oh no, a prayer in school, how horrible , the insanity of it all.

And by the way you may think you are getting a democratically controlled Obama Whitehouse but you'll soon realize (but I'm sure will never admit) that you just bought socialism!

so what is the boy in the class that is muslim supposed to do when the whole class is supposed to prey??

Bush's wallstreet bailout plan was as socialized as they come, so it seems that the republicans were the first to buy it.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by Nebe

so what is the boy in the class that is muslim supposed to do when the whole class is supposed to prey??

Bush's wallstreet bailout plan was as socialized as they come, so it seems that the republicans were the first to buy it.

As socialized as they come........

+ he helps secure those multi-million dollar bonuses for the corporate masters of the universe

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by EarnedStripes44

As socialized as they come........

+ he helps secure those multi-million dollar bonuses for the corporate masters of the universe

I struggle with the rationalization of this one,,,,I mean it was supported by both house and senate and by both candidates.
Why does it get labeled the "Bush" bailout?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I struggle with the rationalization of this one,,,,I mean it was supported by both house and senate and by both candidates.
Why does it get labeled the "Bush" bailout?

It's the "Bush" bailout because he sat down and wrote up the entire proposal himself, without any help. He's also responsible for the suspension of game 5 of the World Series and the extinction of the Dodo bird.

I understand Bush being blamed for a lot of what has gone wrong in this country over the last 4 years because he has been a failure as a President and a leader. But to blame him for the economy or the bailout package shows how little people know about what's going on in government.

The economy was largely good while the Republicans controlled Congress (look at consecutive quarters of economic growth) and it has really suffered in the last 1 1/2 years since Congress has been Democrat controlled. Coincidence? Maybe. But, the horrible bills that made it possible for people who in no way could afford home ownership to get mortgages, were Democrat written and approved by Democrat votes in Congress.

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by fishbones

It's the "Bush" bailout because he sat down and wrote up the entire proposal himself, without any help. He's also responsible for the suspension of game 5 of the World Series and the extinction of the Dodo bird.

I understand Bush being blamed for a lot of what has gone wrong in this country over the last 4 years because he has been a failure as a President and a leader. But to blame him for the economy or the bailout package shows how little people know about what's going on in government.

The economy was largely good while the Republicans controlled Congress (look at consecutive quarters of economic growth) and it has really suffered in the last 1 1/2 years since Congress has been Democrat controlled. Coincidence? Maybe. But, the horrible bills that made it possible for people who in no way could afford home ownership to get mortgages, were Democrat written and approved by Democrat votes in Congress.

The republicans pushed for the deregulation of it all and democrats wanted to help there constituents. Almost a perfect storm of party interests. After decades of deregulartion debt became an asset and under the new rules of doing things the economy grew like a house of cards. What would you expect when you can forecast profit. But to lay blame on the shoulders of democrats does not do the argument much justice. Both parties are complicit; end of story. And sure lets blame the little people who could not afford this or that because when the octopus pulling the strings tries to escape it pisses ink. Anyway, if anything is clear, surveillance in the interest of protecting investors from surging losses should not be left to the will of financial institutions. Its called a mixed economy for a reason. So lets come full circle: deregulation, deregulation, deregulation...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by fishbones

The economy was largely good while the Republicans controlled Congress (look at consecutive quarters of economic growth) and it has really suffered in the last 1 1/2 years since Congress has been Democrat controlled. Coincidence? Maybe. But, the horrible bills that made it possible for people who in no way could afford home ownership to get mortgages, were Democrat written and approved by Democrat votes in Congress.

1 1/2 years is not nearly enough time for the effects of a Democratically controlled congress to come to light. Our current situation has largely been developed through policies enacted 6-8 years ago. Many economists expect any policy changes to take at least 4 years before being able to make an educated judgment on the performance effects of those policies.

Actually, "the horrible bills that made it possible for people who in no way could afford home ownership" were written and approved by the Republican Congress 4 years ago. The Republicans pushed forth massive de-regulation bills that sowed *some* of the seeds of the crisis we face today. On the other hand, the Democrats didn't do anything to rectify the bad policy as was promised.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Why does it get labeled the "Bush" bailout?

Because his Friggin Signature is on it....


I know its probably in Crayon.....but its there

[EarnedStripes44]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I struggle with the rationalization of this one,,,,I mean it was supported by both house and senate and by both candidates.
Why does it get labeled the "Bush" bailout?

because Wolfson, Bush's treasury secretary, is the architect all of this and he is "doling out the bread" to banks that got so big that when they fail, they bring securities industry with them.

The fed, with Bernanke at the helm, who is sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place but is probably the smartest bureaucrat in washington, does not need congress to act and he is has been pumping billions of capital into AIG, Bear Stearns and others. Hopefully that clears things up for you.

[JoeP]

The issue isn't and should never be forcing kids in public schools to pray, the issue is banning some kids' ability to pray if they want. That is crazy. It should be and is voluntary so why should it be banned altogether. What's next, banning the Pledge of Allegiance because some kids are offended by our Nation (although some moonbats are trying)...

And, as said above, it was not the "Bush Plan" - it was Bush's and the Congress' plan. However I am not happy with it but it was obviously an extreme situation...

That one-time emergency bailout is a far cry from Obama's wideranging socialistic approach to running our democracy. He is Marxist.

Originally Posted by Nebe

so what is the boy in the class that is muslim supposed to do when the whole class is supposed to prey??

Bush's wallstreet bailout plan was as socialized as they come, so it seems that the republicans were the first to buy it.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by JoeP

The issue isn't and should never be forcing kids in public schools to pray, the issue is banning some kids' ability to pray if they want.

Joe;

You and I can agree here.
However, it should be the kid praying alone on his time, not in a mandated moment of silence or something where the 'non-believers' have to stand there awkwardly.... If the allow that, would they allow a Muslim child to kneel and pray to mecca? or a member of the church of Satan (They just had a reverend from there on HJY, so it is fresh in my head) a chance to pray as well?

A kid who wants to say Grace to himself or with his friends at lunch? I could care less and the school shouldn't. But A school should also not mandate a 'prayer time' otherwise, send em to catholic school (You have boys, nothing to worry about sending them to school in that uniform )

[JH Beers]

Muslims, if devout, are asked to pray 5 times a day and the process takes 5-10 minutes each time.

Before school, during lunch break, mid-afternoon, evening, night.

So, if requested, let the kid take 5 minutes mid-afternoon for the sake of satisfying his religious beliefs. I see no problem with Muslim prayer being allowed in schools any more than any other sort of prayer, and, personally? I'm agnostic/secular if not atheistic.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by JH Beers

I'm agnostic/secular if not atheistic.

As am I JHB.
The problem is schools are not logical.
they tend to be reactionary...

[slapshot]

Originally Posted by Nebe

so what is the boy in the class that is muslim supposed to do when the whole class is supposed to prey??

Prey? Prey on who? The muslim boy? democrats can't even spell pray, or is this supposed to be a joke?

[Nebe]

That my friend is what you call a play on words. Something a republican may have trouble finding humor in