Scary Times Comin'

[The Dad Fisherman]

We kettles are tired of it and won't stand for it anymore..

Remember Ma and Pa Kettle?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

We kettles are tired of it and won't stand for it anymore..

Remember Ma and Pa Kettle?

Them Kettle's were some cooky old cats.

[bssb]

why bother arguing with Jimmy. He doesn't believe there are real people who still consider blacks second class citizens. Or he believes that there are more black racist than white ones. or he believes that you can't believe anything because some "liberal" might have made it up. Jimmy also believes he's an "independent", not a republican. So is Joe Lieberman. Joe turns his head to the right, he can just make out Jimmy in the distance

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by bssb

why bother arguing with Jimmy. He doesn't believe there are real people who still consider blacks second class citizens. Or he believes that there are more black racist than white ones. or he believes that you can't believe anything because some "liberal" might have made it up. Jimmy also believes he's an "independent", not a republican. So is Joe Lieberman. Joe turns his head to the right, he can just make out Jimmy in the distance

wrong, I believe that there are people that believe blacks are second class citizens. I also believe they have a right to believe that. Its not illegal to be racist. I also know that more than half the country voted for a black man.
I absoultely do agree that there are more black racists than white ones. How can you are argue there are not? There are more black only churches, black only television stations and black only magazines. Culturally, it appears that blacks seek segregation more than whites.
An once again, I'll challenge you to define what makes me to the right of Liberman? Is it my disdain for organized religion, my support of gay rights? My lifelong involvement at many levels with other races?

It is you my friend that only thinks what your political party does.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I absoultely do agree that there are more black racists than white ones. How can you are argue there are not? There are more black only churches, black only television stations and black only magazines. Culturally, it appears that blacks seek segregation more than whites.

you can also take that in another direction too....try opening up a Male Only anything....yet there are Women Only gyms everywhere.

A lot of times the only reason its a Racist/Sexist issue is because of the person screaming it.

I remember having an argument with my sister-in-law about the fact that her company just hired a guy doing the same thing as her for more money.

I said it was business not sexism....she'd been there like 7 years getting standard cost of living increases.....while the job market was dictaing over the years that this person should be making this much. Thats why he got more.

She said then why don't they raise her pay....I said thats not what a business does...if you want salary increases you need to be willing to walk.....she didn't buy it and claimed it was sexist.....so is it?...or is it just business.

if a (enter race here) guy gets fired is it racist...or is it because he was always late/sick.....or his numbers down? If he claims its a race issue....then it sends up a red flag and is now a race issue.....even though it was a performance issue....seen that happen a few times.

Can't always just say the White Males are the problem......it exists in ALL walks of life.

[Bronko]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

you can also take that in another direction too....try opening up a Male Only anything....yet there are Women Only gyms everywhere.

A lot of times the only reason its a Racist/Sexist issue is because of the person screaming it.

I remember having an argument with my sister-in-law about the fact that her company just hired a guy doing the same thing as her for more money.

I said it was business not sexism....she'd been there like 7 years getting standard cost of living increases.....while the job market was dictaing over the years that this person should be making this much. Thats why he got more.

She said then why don't they raise her pay....I said thats not what a business does...if you want salary increases you need to be willing to walk.....she didn't buy it and claimed it was sexist.....so is it?...or is it just business.

if a (enter race here) guy gets fired is it racist...or is it because he was always late/sick.....or his numbers down? If he claims its a race issue....then it sends up a red flag and is now a race issue.....even though it was a performance issue....seen that happen a few times.

Can't always just say the White Males are the problem......it exists in ALL walks of life.

Well said TDF. I think we will have a few case studies coming up at the end of the NFL season that will mirror very closely the discussion at hand. It appears that:

1. Romeo Crennel
2. Marvin Lewis
3. Herm Edwards

All three african american, all three may be on the chopping block after this season. Edwards and Lewis are a combined 3-19 and Crennel has apparently "lost" the team. If all three are fired (because they suck) I am really interested in seeing what the black community will say. There has historically been a knee-jerk "racism" reaction. Does anybody think that America electing Barak Obama will lessen some of the blow? Should it? What say you?