Phelps

[BigFish]

Dave your right...peer pressure! None of the folks I hung out with were into any of it! That always helps! Spence...its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! They are two different things. remember....we can disagree and often do. You have the way you look at things and I have the way I look at things.

[FishnGrega]

now I for one used to smoke back when I was 18, now that I'm almost 26 I haven't had the urge to pick it up again. I wasn't a pot head I only did it once in a while mainly just on weekends. I used to be all about legalizing pot, until i started thinking about the consequenses. Here's one for you guys who think it should be legal... how can you test for it if you get pulled over and your stoned out of your mind??? Alcohol has its tests pot only has a piss/hair test but that doesnt tell you how much you've had smoked...
so that you legalize it right. you get in your car blazed out of your mind smoking it up with your buddies as you go for a bone cruise, blasting tunes, and passing that fattie around. You go reach for the blunt from your buddy in back, then you hit and kill a person/ or a even worse a kid. the cops show up to the scene and notice that you are under the influence of a controlled substance. But can not charge you because there is no test for marajuana. Sure you'll be arrested for involentary manslaughter, and under the influence of a controlled substance. you go to court get a slap on the wrist maybe serve a year or less in prison because you get out on "good behavior".

But the drunk who gets behind the wheel and does the same thing. Is charged with manslaughter loses his license, goes to counceling, and serve a sentence behind bars.

Sounds like a good idea of legalizing it doesn't it?

I also drink and I wouldn't call Alcohol a gateway anything. Its all about peer pressure, and confidence in saying no thanks.

[Raider Ronnie]

Like I said
Society is in the %$%$%$%$ter !!!
Can't turn on the tv without a "Male enhancement" commercial or a girl with her tits 1/2 hanging out !, or profanity on just about everything !
Sucks trying to raise kids and not deal with these issues everyday !
And for those here who think kids aren't influenced by these guys like Phelps, you have no idea what you are talking about and most likely don't have young kids !
As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

[Joe]

With Phelps' outrageous lung capacity, he probably bogarted down the guy's whole stash in one huff. I think the real lesson here is to never to share a bowl with an aqua-lung pituitary case.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by Joe

With Phelps' outrageous lung capacity, he probably bogarted down the guy's whole stash in one huff. I think the real lesson here is to never to share a bowl with an aqua-lung pituitary case.

Yea you wanna go before him...

[Nebe]

If anyone wants a hand crafted michael phelps edition glass bong, just let me know.

[justplugit]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

Like I said
Society is in the %$%$%$%$ter !!!
Can't turn on the tv without a "Male enhancement" commercial or a girl with her tits 1/2 hanging out !, or profanity on just about everything !
Sucks trying to raise kids and not deal with these issues everyday !
And for those here who think kids aren't influenced by these guys like Phelps, you have no idea what you are talking about and most likely don't have young kids !
As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

Your right Ronnie it is becoming a society of "anything goes"and "what the hell, just let e'm go."

Imho, i believe the most important job a father has is not only to provide for, but to bring his children up to become good solid citizens that live up to their full potential.
Like Karl said, you have to be the role model for them and from what i have seen from your posts, you are a good one.

Living in a morally bankrupt society makes it very difficult.

[Clogston29]

Originally Posted by Raider Ronnie

As for the heroin comment, guarantee the way pot is so accepted as not big deal with some of you, not too many years from now heroin or some other drug will be the same story !

there is a huge difference between the two. and to compare the two just shows ignorance on the topic. for one thing, a heroin overdose will kill you. find me one person who died as a direct result of smoking weed (not including allergies, etc. since peanuts can and do kill some people). and don't point to pestacides and addatives, because those all go away if its legal and regulated by the FDA (or at least we'd like to hope).

remember, cocaine was no big deal for a long time and tons of people were doing it. then people learned it can kill you (len bias) and now it is considered a big deal.

weed = alcohol that somebody decided was illegal IMO. both have been around forever and their effects are pretty well known. being illegal in my mind doesn't make something wrong or immoral.

[cheferson]

Originally Posted by BigFish

.its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! .

Ummmmmmmmmm, alcohol is one of the worst drugs

Heres the definition of a drug

A drug, broadly speaking, is any chemical substance that, when absorbed into the body of a living organism, alters normal bodily function.

and lets see , how many deaths occured from bong hits?.... Big fat 0.
In 2006 there were 17,941 alcohol related traffic deaths !!!

heres another excerpt for scientific american

By the Numbers: Deaths Caused by Alcohol; December 1996; Scientific American Magazine; by Doyle; 2 Page(s)

Excessive alcohol consumption leads to more than 100,000 deaths annually in the U.S. Accidents, mostly from drunken driving, made up a quarter of this number in 1992; alcohol- related homicide and suicide accounted for 11 and 8 percent, respectively. Cancers that are partly attributable to alcohol, such as those of the esophagus and larynx, contributed an additional 17 percent. About 9 percent resulted from alcohol-related stroke. Another major contributor is a group of 12 ailments wholly caused by alcohol (see map below), of which alcoholic cirrhosis of the liver and alcohol dependence syndrome are the most important. These 12 ailments represented 18 percent of all alcohol-related deaths in 1992.

The most reliable data are for the 12 alcohol-induced conditions. Mortality from these conditions rises steeply into late middle age and then declines markedly, with those age 85 or older being at less than one sixth the risk of 55- to 64-year-olds. Men are at three times the risk of women; blacks are at two and half times the risk of whites.

[NIB]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Dave your right...peer pressure! None of the folks I hung out with were into any of it! That always helps! Spence...its why alcohol is called alcohol and drugs are commonly known as well....drugs! They are two different things. remember....we can disagree and often do. You have the way you look at things and I have the way I look at things.

Who else here thinks if perhaps Larry tried one of them thar spleefs maybe he would not be such a deek..
Nothing personal BF but I think sometimes you could use to relax a little..
If you think there is some major difference between pot and alchohol.You really need to open your eyes..
BTW don't go over the speed limit..Thats against the law also..

[BigFish]

There is a major difference...one is legal and one is not. I am very relaxed right now. You folks can skew the facts and twist the english language however you want to make you sleep better at night.....but drugs and alcohol are different animals. Maybe when I talk about drugs I am not so much talking about pot but mostly Coke, Heroin, Crack.....all the real nasty stuff. Yeah....alcohol is every bit as addictive as anything else can can do alot more damage.....thats a fact.

Do I think Phelps should be punished? No I do not. He is a young man, 22, with the same choices to make we all had and in life and folks have to find their own way. Bad choice? Yup! However just because of his fame people should not think that he should have to live his life any differently than anyone else does. Its his life and his alone. I say a picture these days is not great evidence and he could simply have denied it and moved on but he did not....he owned up to it and for that I say he is showing youth that mistakes are made and you and you alone have to be accountable for your actions.

[Raven]

what's Ironic about the 1937 tax law was:

that a tax was to be levied on the product
and to show that the tax had been paid
it was to receive a stamp showing that it was.

the Ironic thing was that the stamps were never made.

so you have a law that was passed and never used
to tax a product in the last 72 years...

funny reading that stuff about how the white chicks
were seduced by the Jaz & weed to go for the darkies

that guy had no interracial issues ....whatsoever

[Raven]

Alcohol is a Drug

by David J. Hanson, Ph.D.
Beverage alcohol (ethyl alcohol) is a drug. But exactly what is a drug?
A drug is simply “Any substance which when absorbed into a living organism may modify one or more of its functions.” 1
In reality, "any substance that by its chemical nature alters structure or function in the living organism is a drug. . . .

[Raven]

For example, back in 1938, the Virginia legislature asked two University of Virginia pharmacology professors to review the research evidence and produce an overview report on alcohol's affects on the human body. The legislature had hoped to demonstrate the need for the state's public schools to teach that alcohol is a poison and that its use is harmful behavior to be avoided.


"When news leaked that the two scientists' report contained language to the effect that moderate drinking was unharmful, temperance organizations in the state immediately rallied and deluged the legislature and the governor's office with cries of objection." 1 The legislature then voted to have the report, all one-thousand copies, burned --- unread!

[Raven]

i have an older Brother named Jimmy too

a perfect clone of your brother in many aspects...

i expect to hear of a similar list of related illness(s)
due to his alcohol and tobacco habits (the legal drugs)

he was the kid who figured out how to cut cigarette pack
sized blocks of wood to substitute for packs of cigs
in the rack my dad had hanging on the wall for his
carton of Winston's.

[NIB]

Karl Thanks for sharing..