Lip Descriptions

[numbskull]

In general

higher wire holes make the plug dig deeper and make it more stable with more wiggle than roll ( a mid line tie and moving the lip back as on a plastic swimmer creates even more wiggle and less roll)

Lower wire holes keep a plug up but make it less stable and roll/wobble more (which is ideal for surface swimmers meant to be retrieved slowly)

For any given lip length, the wider the lip the more a plug will roll ( I think). Probably this is why they bend the edges on wide pikie lips.

For any given lip width and wire position, the longer the lip the more depth you will get and more wobble at low speeds

increasing the distance between the wire position and the bend in the lip ( like a conrad) increases depth, but adds instability creating wobble and roll.

As for the roll/wobble thing....I think the length of a plug and weight position are as big a factor as the lip. On a long plug, a narrow lip may try to create wobble, but the water resistance against the sides prevents it and the plug rolls instead....particularly if it is weighted in the middle as opposed to the chin (since the force to move that weight side to side is more the further from the lip it is placed).

After that I get confused.

[Diggin Jiggin]

My brain hurts, glad I'm playing with pencils now.

Getting them to swim the way you want in slow current on a dead slow retrieve was my goal when I first started messing with Danny plugs. But then how many of the places you fish have no current? My plugs were going way too fast in current and not fishing the way I wanted, so then I started messing around with different shapes, ways to slow them down, etc.

I always thought the depth a plug would go was controlled by the combination of the bouyancy of the wood, the angle or plane of the lip and the speed of the current you are fishing.

The more horizontal the plane of the lip the deeper it can dig. I make some slim dannies with a near horizontal lip that swim beautifully up on top in calm water, but in one spot I fish them they actually will go down and bounce the bottom.

[Mr. Sandman]

George, I think that is a start and what I had in mind. But I had picked up a sample pack of a-lot-of-lips, and, as I look at them beyond aesthetics, it is hard to predict how they will work out.

At lunch today I tossed a few plugs with different lips in the truck and ran down to the dock and tossed them in. The plugs were the same , except for the lip.

I had a lefty, a danny and a pike lip. The danny made it sprial, the lefty swam erratically at random times, and the pike was the best but still now exactly what I wanted. As an engineer I find the whole trial and error approach very crude way of doing things, and while it may find a satisfactory solution, I think it will almost aways be sub-optimal. There has got to be a way to better define the cause and effect of each element of the lip. But this would take a lot of work. So I will have to rely on experience and trial and error.

We need a PhD student with some time on his hands...that is what we need.

[Tagger]

Our coastline is pretty shallow fishing ..Coinky dink 2 diving lips Conrad and Atom Jr. you have to make your self ? Funny this subject came up ,I wanted to experiment this year with oversize lips on plugs . Maybe up one size than you'd normally use . I know this plug would be a disaster in any sort of current or heavy retrieve . My goal was action at a crawl or almost action standing still ,, just natural currents .. I'm know Numby has already persued this ..