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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

nice try,
notice Obama puts the burden on the people in NYC , why not EDUCATE the public? Why not explain the high demand for these professionals, the milions of workers in these industry that had nothing to do with the crisis, the millions of workers that are managing pension funds and humanity funds so that your grandparents get monthly pay?

Because that wasn't the context of the comment.

See Spence, he cant do that, he cant highlight successful people, then his base will say "Hey, you mean I still have to work to be succesful under Obama"?
He cant be seen siding with "The MAn"
Everything he has done since taking office is to SCREW hard working people who get paid well.

That's not the point.

The comments you posted were comparing the average Joe in the Midwest to the top people earing hugh salaries in the financial industry, the people who are making millions regardless if they're successful or not and having the taxpayer (i.e. the average Joe in the Midwest) bail them out, and about Obama (being president) having to reconcile the situation.

What exactly has Obama done to screw people that get paid well? Let's see, he's decided not to extend some of Bush's tax cuts that are set to expire next year. Hmmm, were these people getting screwed under Clinton, because as I remember they seemed to be doing quite well.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Because that wasn't the context of the comment.


That's not the point.

The comments you posted were comparing the average Joe in the Midwest to the top people earing hugh salaries in the financial industry, the people who are making millions regardless if they're successful or not and having the taxpayer (i.e. the average Joe in the Midwest) bail them out, and about Obama (being president) having to reconcile the situation.

What exactly has Obama done to screw people that get paid well? Let's see, he's decided not to extend some of Bush's tax cuts that are set to expire next year. Hmmm, were these people getting screwed under Clinton, because as I remember they seemed to be doing quite well.

-spence

you need to read the question/answer again, your twisting the context.
So today's economy is equivalent to under Clinton?

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

you need to read the question/answer again, your twisting the context.
So today's economy is equivalent to under Clinton?

The state of the economy has nothing to do with how fair the tax code is to the individual!

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

Hmmm, were these people getting screwed under Clinton, because as I remember they seemed to be doing quite well.

-spence

They're not doing so well now are they? Im not sure if you noticed but the retail, auto, travel, airlines, restaurant, housing and stock market are all in the crapper.
How "fair" is it to raise taxes now? Seems contrary to common sense.

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

They're not doing so well now are they? Im not sure if you noticed but the retail, auto, travel, airlines, restaurant, housing and stock market are all in the crapper.
How "fair" is it to raise taxes now? Seems contrary to common sense.

It has nothing to do with fairness, taxes would only be fair if your individual tax contribution was computed based your personal consumption of benefits.

The reality is that taxation is a variable used to manage a system, it's quite impersonal when you think about it.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by spence

It has nothing to do with fairness, taxes would only be fair if your individual tax contribution was computed based your personal consumption of benefits.

The reality is that taxation is a variable used to manage a system, it's quite impersonal when you think about it.

-spence

man are you in denial

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

man are you in denial

You're not paying attention.

Fairness is a personal thing. I perceive my taxes to be fair or unfair, but the Government couldn't really care less what I think.

-spence

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by spence

You're not paying attention.

Fairness is a personal thing. I perceive my taxes to be fair or unfair, but the Government couldn't really care less what I think.

-spence

I agree just ask Nancy Peliosia or Coupe Deval or John Kerry or Barney Frank

[justplugit]

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Fairness is a personal thing. I perceive my taxes to be fair or unfair, but the Government couldn't really care less what I think.

-spence[/QUOTE]



And therein lies the problem-- Taxation without proper representation.

[bssb]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

They're not doing so well now are they? Im not sure if you noticed but the retail, auto, travel, airlines, restaurant, housing and stock market are all in the crapper.
How "fair" is it to raise taxes now? Seems contrary to common sense.

Yet when the economy bounces back and all these industries are making money again you won't want to raise taxes then either. Then it will be; "well, the economy is just getting going again you can't raise taxes now!" Then after things have been good for a while it'll be the same thing. Have you ever said that it would be a good time to raise taxes?

[buckman]

Originally Posted by bssb

Yet when the economy bounces back and all these industries are making money again you won't want to raise taxes then either. Then it will be; "well, the economy is just getting going again you can't raise taxes now!" Then after things have been good for a while it'll be the same thing. Have you ever said that it would be a good time to raise taxes?

At what point would you say we have paid enough?????

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Originally Posted by buckman

At what point would you say we have paid enough?????

The flip side of course is how little it not enough?

The tax cut mantra of conservatives gets pretty silly at times. Not all tax cuts are good, if that was the case we'd have zero Government revenues and anarchy would soon ensue.

So Buck, how much are you comfortable paying?

-spence

[buckman]

Originally Posted by spence

The flip side of course is how little it not enough?

The tax cut mantra of conservatives gets pretty silly at times. Not all tax cuts are good, if that was the case we'd have zero Government revenues and anarchy would soon ensue.

So Buck, how much are you comfortable paying?

-spence

Well lets see: I pay income tax, property tax, I just paid a 5% tax for my sons truck, a 5% tax on most goods I buy, excise tax on boats, cars and trucks. tax on the cell phones, tax on fuel, tax on cable. Fees, fees and more fees on my daughters state college education. Do you want me to go on Spence, or maybe like 50% of my income is enough.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone but you ask if maybe we don't pay enough....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by buckman

Well lets see: I pay income tax, property tax, I just paid a 5% tax for my sons truck, a 5% tax on most goods I buy, excise tax on boats, cars and trucks. tax on the cell phones, tax on fuel, tax on cable. Fees, fees and more fees on my daughters state college education. Do you want me to go on Spence, or maybe like 50% of my income is enough.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone but you ask if maybe we don't pay enough....

It's funny. Listing off the names of taxes is like listing off the names of all the plays a football team uses - Up the middle, off tackle, toss, sweep, trap, counter, go, post, flank, slant, hook, flat... a lot of the plays are very similar (just like many taxes are very similar in rate) but personnel resource allocation is adjusted (just as specific tax revenues are often allocated for specific purposes - think, gas tax for infrastructure).

You really do adhere to the "FoxNewsChannel School of getting a groundless point across", attempt to overwhelm your opponent with mundane facts then spin and manipulate those "facts" in an attempt to prove a weak point. Then there's also the aspect of never actually answering any question someone asks you but presenting the illusion you did - that must be taught in the advanced class.

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Originally Posted by buckman

Well lets see: I pay income tax, property tax, I just paid a 5% tax for my sons truck, a 5% tax on most goods I buy, excise tax on boats, cars and trucks. tax on the cell phones, tax on fuel, tax on cable. Fees, fees and more fees on my daughters state college education. Do you want me to go on Spence, or maybe like 50% of my income is enough.

I don't think I have ever heard anyone but you ask if maybe we don't pay enough....

So you're comfortable paying 50%?

You didn't answer the question.

-spence