Bush was a divider

[buckman]

Spence, you sound like the Presidents PR man. When I see Obama stand up to the Pelosi, Reed, Frank and the like instead of kissing thier collective a$$es, then is a partisan. His words can impress the sheep but his actions show his true side.

[scottw]

Obama cannot gain favor with one group politically without trashing another, he gains popularity with whomever he is speaking to by attacking someone else, creating straw dogs and spouting outrageous rehetoric knowing that he will not be questioned which is why he spent the last week trashing America in front of the world...he leads by dividing...the hypnotized just nod in agreement...it might be wearing thin on some though...




I'm so confused now....
I thought that only right wing whack jobs were troubled that the messiah's birth certificate was sealed...don't all presidents do this?..you know.... just in case
and college records...those too...just in case....
and only conservative loons would be troubled that our President would bow to the Saudi King, I mean, all American Presidents do that, right? we apparently forgot that that New York Times had a cow when Clinton simply nodded to the Japanese leader...but this is the "ONE" and thou shalt not be critical...EVER!

from Salon.com(hardly a vast right wing propoganda website)
Camille Paglia- Salon.com

"There has been one needless gaffe after another -- from the president's tacky appearance on a late-night comedy show to the kitsch gifts given to the British prime minister, followed by the sweater-clad first lady's over-familiarity with the queen and culminating in the jaw-dropping spectacle of a president of the United States bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia. Why was protest about the latter indignity confined to conservatives? The silence of the major media was a disgrace. But I attribute that embarrassing incident not to Obama's sinister or naive appeasement of the Muslim world but to a simple if costly breakdown in basic command of protocol.

Video: President Obama bowing to Saudi King Abdullah during the G-20 summit


Enough already! These slips are worsening the anti-Obama backlash, which began with the administration's bungled handling of the grotesquely swollen stimulus package. Conservatives seem deliriously drunk with their cartoon picture of Obama, to whom is glibly attributed every pathology in the book. Yes, there were ambiguities about Obama's birth certificate that have never been satisfactorily resolved. And the embargo on Obama's educational records remains troubling. But I am still waiting for hard evidence about the host of other charges that are continually being hammered against him -- from his alleged fidelity to the crypto-tactics of Chicago leftist Saul Alinsky to the questions raised by right-wingers about the production of Obama's two memoirs. Out of respect for the presidency, conservatives need to put up or shut up about these issues."

hey Camille...he is a cartoon, a teleprompter(Ok, sorry, he's using the 52" tv so you can't call him that anymore) reading, nipple flashing, Camel smoking, America blaming, dictator hugging, race baiting, trillion and trillion spending, class envy promoting CARTOON...and he isn't funny...

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by scottw

1. The silence of the major media was a disgrace. But I attribute that embarrassing incident not to Obama's sinister or naive appeasement of the Muslim world but to a simple if costly breakdown in basic command of protocol.
2. Yes, there were ambiguities about Obama's birth certificate that have never been satisfactorily resolved. And the embargo on Obama's educational records remains troubling.

1. showing common courtesy to a king of another country isn't acceptable? Especially with Saudi Arabia! Bush and his family was beyond chummy with them and you have a problem with that! do you expect him to flip him the bird and walk away!?!? Talk about double standards about the Saudi's....

2. Yup, he's not American, and turns out he never even went to college. Oh well

BTW, what kind of stuff are you smoking? you may want to ease off the bong... it's making you paranoid....

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

1. showing common courtesy to a king of another country isn't acceptable? Especially with Saudi Arabia! Bush and his family was beyond chummy with them and you have a problem with that! do you expect him to flip him the bird and walk away!?!? Talk about double standards about the Saudi's....

2. Yup, he's not American, and turns out he never even went to college. Oh well

BTW, what kind of stuff are you smoking? you may want to ease off the bong... it's making you paranoid....

You can't reason with nitwits. He's probably one of the ignorant fools that bought into the "Obama's middle name is Hussain? He must be a muslim."

[Cpt. Crunch]

Why should Obama have to bring the republicans along at all? Its not like Bush was all worried about dems supporting his policies. If you disagreed with the Bush policies you were labeled as "anti-American". We won the election by a considerable margin. So now we get a chance to do things our way. If you don't like it, move to Canada. Obama was elected fair and square. This is a democracy. YOU LOST! GET OVER IT! This is what happens when 1 party screws things up for 8 years. If things go as bad as all of you think it will with these new policies, then you will be back in power in less then 4 years. Be patient and stop the whining.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by Cpt. Crunch

Why should Obama have to bring the republicans along at all? Its not like Bush was all worried about dems supporting his policies. If you disagreed with the Bush policies you were labeled as "anti-American". We won the election by a considerable margin. So now we get a chance to do things our way. If you don't like it, move to Canada. Obama was elected fair and square. This is a democracy. YOU LOST! GET OVER IT! This is what happens when 1 party screws things up for 8 years. If things go as bad as all of you think it will with these new policies, then you will be back in power in less then 4 years. Be patient and stop the whining.

I'm not the one that said Obama was a uniter, the dems did. Sorry if I expect him to live up to his expectations. Its obvious none of the people that elected him do.
And PS, if all the people that dont like it move to Canada, whose gonna pay all those taxes?

[scottw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
1. showing common courtesy to a king of another country isn't acceptable? Especially with Saudi Arabia! Bush and his family was beyond chummy with them and you have a problem with that! do you expect him to flip him the bird and walk away!?!? Talk about double standards about the Saudi's....

2. Yup, he's not American, and turns out he never even went to college. Oh well

BTW, what kind of stuff are you smoking? you may want to ease off the bong... it's making you paranoid....

JohnnyD wrote:
You can't reason with nitwits. He's probably one of the ignorant fools that bought into the "Obama's middle name is Hussain? He must be a muslim."

JD....you can't call someone an "ignorant fool nitwit" then misspell HUSSEIN

The New York Times sharply criticized Bill Clinton for a mere inclination of his shoulders towards Japanese Emperor Aikihito in 1994:

It wasn’t a bow, exactly. But Mr. Clinton came close. He inclined his head and shoulders forward, he pressed his hands together. It lasted no longer than a snapshot, but the image on the South Lawn was indelible: an obsequent President, and the Emperor of Japan.


I know, I know...NEW YORK TIMES...vast right wing hack publication

The rest was from a Camille Paglia column, BIG OBAMA SUPPORTER...maybe you/she are on the bong?

[spence]

Originally Posted by buckman

Spence, you sound like the Presidents PR man. When I see Obama stand up to the Pelosi, Reed, Frank and the like instead of kissing thier collective a$$es, then is a partisan. His words can impress the sheep but his actions show his true side.

No, I'm simply trying to provide some additional information that refutes RIJIMMY's black and white arguments.

As for standing up to the Dem leadership. There already have been many issues between Obama and Congress. Just because Obama ultimately signs legislation doesn't mean that he hasn't stood up to them. Even the Stimulus package contained concessions to Republicans that Obama wanted over the House Dems. Usually most Bills contain compramise language that's negoitated ahead of time. A Bill probably isn't going to go before the President unless their damn sure it's going to get the pen.

Considering that Obama was elected as a Democrat, I doubt you're going to see any real fireworks, although the stories of the Administration already working to help companies get around executive pay limitations imposed by Congress could come pretty close.

-spence