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04-11-2009, 02:55 PM
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Ruled only by the tide
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Location: Truro
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Diawa Reel Problems
I have a Daiwa EmblemX 6000T spinning reel and am experiencing two problems.
1. The spool travel is so great that sometimes at the end of a cast I can't close the bail because the spool is extended too far out on the shaft to allow the bail to close. So I have to recapture some line (letting the spool retract down the shaft a bit), to close the bail.
2. I've had a couple of break-offs right at the spool (near the roller) when I go to set the hook. Despite the fact that it has 80# PowerPro. Something is cutting right through the line. I've checked the roller and can't find a problem. Also, all the guides are good with no sharp edges or nicks.
Any ideas?
(I'm not a big fan of Daiwa spinning reels, but I got this one at a very good price a couple of years ago from Cabelas.)
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Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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04-11-2009, 03:28 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetwater
1. The spool travel is so great that sometimes at the end of a cast I can't close the bail because the spool is extended too far out on the shaft to allow the bail to close. So I have to recapture some line (letting the spool retract down the shaft a bit), to close the bail.
Any ideas?
(I'm not a big fan of Daiwa spinning reels, but I got this one at a very good price a couple of years ago from Cabelas.)
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This one I don't get--the spool doesn't travel during the cast. If you're able to open the bail to cast, you should be able to close it after the cast
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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04-12-2009, 06:54 AM
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here fishy fishy
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: westport,ma.
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Is the spool loose? I mean like the whole assembly, shaft and all? Did the bail get bent somehow? As for the break offs I'd say check the guides to see if the are cracked (use a cotton ball). Like Mike said spool and bail should remain in pretty much same position.
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redcrbbr
of all the things i've lost...i miss my mind the most!!
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04-12-2009, 09:56 AM
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Plug Builder in Training
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: wareham MA
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I'm not a big fan of Daiwa spinning reels,
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Dont blame the brand of reel 2 years old and using 80lb braid. There is no spinning reel made IMO that you should be using 80 lb braid on. Most likely you have distorted the internal gears and bail on the reel.
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04-12-2009, 10:25 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mansfield, MA
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Originally Posted by mikecc
Dont blame the brand of reel 2 years old and using 80lb braid. There is no spinning reel made IMO that you should be using 80 lb braid on. Most likely you have distorted the internal gears and bail on the reel.
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I know two people that have exclusively used 30lb braid with very similar problems. Also with both of their reels, the bails tend to flip mid-cast. My guess is the bail spins and hits the nub that sticks up. These are separate issues from the above though.
redcrbbr,
I've had Sweetwater's rod in hand and had one breakoff when setting the hook and 1 breakoff right after hookup when the fish pulled drag. We looked over the entire reel and nothing appears loose or bent. All of the guides were checked as well.
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04-12-2009, 11:02 AM
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eh! What do you mean?
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Tiverton
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double check...
triple check the top tip... look at all the guide feet wraps and check the blank for any dings too...
Look at all the parts that would touch the line from the bail arm to the part that holds the line roller in place.. make sure no part of the bail wire has any scuffs or dings...
the spool thing is just a seating problem... incase you swapped spools recently check washers... the above is the schematic to the reel...
Last edited by leptar; 04-13-2009 at 11:20 AM..
Reason: Fixed the link...
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04-12-2009, 05:50 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mansfield, MA
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leptar, your link brings up "403 Forbidden".
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04-13-2009, 06:03 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: cape cod when my meds r workin right
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sweetie
i got to know .......why ????????? do u use 80 pp on your spinning reel ...u know that its brakes at about 100+ lbs.. 30 or 50 is good....try a cotton ball on everthing for nicks..i have a emblem pro 5000 -w/2 spools for canal fishing ..w/ 30 pp. no problems yet ...u have to lock bail against the stop before u cast or it will trip from cintriffical? force from the bail swing
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04-13-2009, 09:03 AM
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My brother is bald
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Parts Unknown
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If your bail is snapping shut, use your middle finger to hold it open when you cast. Flip it back manually instead of using the reel itself. I've also had bad spools of braid before with a weak spot every ten yards or so throughout the spool.
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04-13-2009, 04:07 PM
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Ruled only by the tide
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Truro
Posts: 801
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike P
This one I don't get--the spool doesn't travel during the cast. If you're able to open the bail to cast, you should be able to close it after the cast
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Mike, I get your question and I wasn't clear I guess. I open the bail, make a cast, then turn the handle to close the bail (instead of by hand). As I turn the handle, sometimes the bail, during the retrieve extends beyond a point that the bail can't close.
Does that make sense?
And to other's points...for sure 80# is probably overkill for that reel.
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Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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04-13-2009, 04:08 PM
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Ruled only by the tide
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Truro
Posts: 801
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyD
I know two people that have exclusively used 30lb braid with very similar problems. Also with both of their reels, the bails tend to flip mid-cast. My guess is the bail spins and hits the nub that sticks up. These are separate issues from the above though.
redcrbbr,
I've had Sweetwater's rod in hand and had one breakoff when setting the hook and 1 breakoff right after hookup when the fish pulled drag. We looked over the entire reel and nothing appears loose or bent. All of the guides were checked as well.
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Yeah, JohnnyD is right. Maybe he can describe my problem more clearly to MikeP, since JD has used the set-up a few times.
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Three-fourths of the Earth's surface is water, and one-fourth is land. It is quite clear that the good Lord intended us to spend triple the amount of time fishing as taking care of the lawn.
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04-13-2009, 04:34 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mansfield, MA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweetwater
Mike, I get your question and I wasn't clear I guess. I open the bail, make a cast, then turn the handle to close the bail (instead of by hand). As I turn the handle, sometimes the bail, during the retrieve extends beyond a point that the bail can't close.
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I've found that using the auto bail flipping, as opposed to manually flipping the bail is asking for trouble. I consistently get loose wraps and wind knots when not flipping the bail manually.
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04-13-2009, 07:32 PM
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Jiggin' Leper Lawyer
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: 61° 30′ 0″ N, 23° 46′ 0″ E
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyD
I've found that using the auto bail flipping, as opposed to manually flipping the bail is asking for trouble. I consistently get loose wraps and wind knots when not flipping the bail manually.
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Yup--you are so much better off flipping that bail over by hand, especially when using braid. I don't think I've ever closed the bail on my Emblem Pros by turning the handle.
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Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools, because they have to say something.
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04-13-2009, 08:23 PM
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Registered Grandpa
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: east coast
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Before opening the bail by hand, pull down a few inches of line over the bail
to avoid a loop on the spool which can put a braid cut in the line when you cast.
Sometimes the reverse happens getting a loop and braid cut before closing the bail
causing a break off at the roller as you set the hook.
Last edited by justplugit; 04-13-2009 at 08:32 PM..
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04-13-2009, 09:11 PM
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Too old to give a....
Join Date: Dec 2007
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyD
I've found that using the auto bail flipping, as opposed to manually flipping the bail is asking for trouble. I consistently get loose wraps and wind knots when not flipping the bail manually.
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Oh well,. . . . I will give you two a refresher course this weekend for a few libations. We will start with the snoopy rods and by the end of the day you will be casting those pink rubber sinkers clear across your driveway.
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May fortune favor the foolish....
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04-13-2009, 09:27 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Mansfield, MA
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Originally Posted by MAKAI
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I'll give you a handful of homemade 4oz jigs I made this week for the canal if you *don't* do any of those things.
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