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Old 04-13-2009, 11:37 AM   #1
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... activities that involve violent… or life-threatening acts… appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population
So the pirates activities were not violent, or life-threatening, nor were they meant to coerce a civilian population to hand over money?

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Old 04-13-2009, 11:40 AM   #2
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Obama administration says goodbye to 'war on terror'
US defence department seems to confirm use of the bureaucratic phrase 'overseas contingency operations'
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Oliver Burkeman in Washington
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 25 March 2009 17.40 GMT
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The war on terror, George Bush once declared, "will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped and defeated". But Barack Obama's administration, it appears, has ended it rather more discreetly - via email.

A message sent recently to senior Pentagon staff explains that "this administration prefers to avoid using the term Long War or Global War On Terror (Gwot) ... please pass this on to your speechwriters". Instead, they have been asked to use a bureaucratic phrase that could hardly be further from the fiery rhetoric of the months immediately following the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The global war on terror is dead; long live "overseas contingency operations".

Rumours of the imminent demise of the war on terror had been circulating for some time, and some key officials have been mentioning "overseas contingency operations" for weeks. The US defence department email, obtained by the Washington Post, seems to confirm the shift, although the Office of Management and Budget, which reviews the public testimony of administration personnel in advance, denied reports that it had ordered an across-the-board change in language.

Tony Blair was an avid supporter of Bush's terminology - "whatever the technical or legal issues about a declaration of war, the fact is we are at war with terrorism", he once said - but experts came to agree that the phrase was unhelpful.

A war on terror was too broad ever to be won, they argued, while defining not a group or ideology but a type of violence as the enemy was incoherent.

Even Donald Rumsfeld, one of the war's architects, tried in vain to persuade Bush to rebrand it the "global struggle against violent extremism", or GSave. Writing in the Guardian in January, the foreign secretary, David Miliband, said it had been a mistake that may have caused "more harm than good".

Since taking office, Obama has taken several concrete steps to shift direction, ordering the closure of Guantanamo Bay and the CIA's secret prisons, and moving to end harsh interrogation practices.

"Declaring war on a method of violence was like declaring war on amphibious warfare," said Jeffrey Record, a strategy expert at the US military's Air War College in Alabama.

"Also, it suggested that there was a military solution, and that we were at war with all practitioners of terrorism, whether they threatened American interests or not. 'War' is very much overused here in the United States - on crime, drugs, poverty. Everything has to be a war. We would have been much smarter to approach terrorism as the Europeans do, as a criminal activity."

But he was not enthusiastic about the replacement term. "I'm not sure it means much of anything," he said. "And I'm not sure we're going to make any great progress by replacing one unfortunate term with another."

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So the pirates activities were not violent, or life-threatening, nor were they meant to coerce a civilian population to hand over money?

You libs crack me up...
The ignorance of some of the Conservatives here is amazing.

On your deluded understanding, bank robbers are terrorists because they want to coerce the teller to hand over money. A speeder is a terrorist because speeding is life-threatening. Someone who gets in a fight is a terrorist because their actions are violent.

The lack of rational and common sense within you conservatives is pathetic.
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The ignorance of some of the Conservatives here is amazing.

The lack of rational and common sense within you conservatives is pathetic.

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By your definition not mine.

BTW I would not classify a bank robbery as terrorism because most are in and out, not holding the whole bank or customers for hours on end for a ransom.

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By your definition not mine.

BTW I would not classify a bank robbery as terrorism because most are in and out, not holding the whole bank or customers for hours on end for a ransom.
So a bank robbery is only terrorism if they take hostages? Either way they're still coercing a civilian into handing over money and inciting fear into people.

Where exactly do you draw the line of what terrorism is then?

In all aspects, terrorism is motivated to incite fear in the general population in the domestic territory of a country, disrupt government or create anarchy.

Piracy falls into none of the above. The pirates are purely for profit. They don't want to disrupt shipping, just inconvenience the companies enough so that they pay ransom. If they disrupt profit, then their income goes away.
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The whole country was talking about the piracy episode, not a bank robbery in boston mass. Therefore I think the piracy episode affected the whole country.

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