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Old 04-15-2009, 01:30 PM   #1
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Did someone really ask why Somalia's neighbors arent patrolling???? Am I the only one that thinks this is funny???
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Old 04-15-2009, 02:15 PM   #2
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Is it your contention that this crisis could be averted with the swift response of the naval forces from Kenya and Djibouti?

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Old 04-15-2009, 02:17 PM   #3
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Did someone really ask why Somalia's neighbors arent patrolling???? Am I the only one that thinks this is funny???

How much can Kenya, Djibouti, and Eritrea do? The Somali coastline dwarfs theirs, the equivalent of going by coast from Point Judith to Tampa, Florida - the long way. The US would have trouble watching that with out entire Coast Guard.

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Old 04-15-2009, 03:17 PM   #4
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The US would have trouble watching that with out entire Coast Guard.
This is the principle source that many people are ignorant on - people have an attitude of "how tough can it be". John, you are dead on that the amount of sea that needs to be secured is vast. Locally, people can't grasp what "a million square miles of open ocean" is. They think that just because we are the most powerful nation in the world, we should be able to stop these actions completely because we're the USofA.

What people don't get is that this isn't a time of war with Somalia so there is only a very small risk to US interests. The percentage of ships being attacked is statistically minuscule compared to the number of vessels that pass through the oceans.

"But Americans are being attacked." Behind the scenes, I'd be willing to bet the administration's response is "So what?" The only reason any country has involved their Navy patrolling the waters is because of the potential economic impact to their own interests.
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The Somali coastline dwarfs theirs, the equivalent of going by coast from Point Judith to Tampa, Florida - the long way. The US would have trouble watching that with out entire Coast Guard.
And cover out to 700 nm. Maybe time for a marine version of Blackwater......

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And cover out to 700 nm. Maybe time for a marine version of Blackwater......
Blackwater has already offered their services... at a cost of course.

Estimated cost for a security unit on board is $60,000 per trip.
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exacto to the rescue

very cool technology

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Old 04-15-2009, 09:13 PM   #8
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Blackwater has already offered their services... at a cost of course.

Estimated cost for a security unit on board is $60,000 per trip.
A Hell of a lot cheaper than 1-2 Million in Ransom.....not to mention it won't be long before people start suing the companies for not providing a safe working environment

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A Hell of a lot cheaper than 1-2 Million in Ransom.....not to mention it won't be long before people start suing the companies for not providing a safe working environment
This is exactly my point.

$60,000 compared to the $150Million in cargo many of the ships are carrying. I'd be willing to bet insurance companies would decrease their rates as well if they were given a certificate showing that a security force will be on board.

I've read that there are some international laws that might cause a hurdle.
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the cost of doing business via cargo ship
just went up because of somalia's thugs

the exacto sniper rifle can shoot them

from 1 mile away

so.....they won't see it coming.....

"Quiggly down Under"..... LOL

but still this additional cost will eventually be passed
on to the consumer.
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A Hell of a lot cheaper than 1-2 Million in Ransom.....not to mention it won't be long before people start suing the companies for not providing a safe working environment
Its like he read my Post..

Sailor sues over safety of pirated Maersk Alabama

HOUSTON – A member of the crew on the U.S.-flagged ship hijacked by African pirates sued the owner and another company Monday, accusing them of knowingly putting sailors in danger. Richard E. Hicks alleges in the suit that owner Maersk Line Limited and Waterman Steamship Corp., which provided the crew, ignored requests to improve safety measures for vessels sailing along the Somali coast.

Hicks was chief cook on the Maersk Alabama. Pirates held the ship's captain hostage for five days until the U.S. Navy rescued him.

Hicks' lawsuit seeks at least $75,000 in damages and improved safety.

Officials for Norfolk, Va.-based Maersk Line and Mobile, Ala.-based Waterman said their companies don't comment on pending litigation.

Hicks asked that the two companies improve safety for ships by providing armed security or allowing crew members to carry weapons, sending ships through safer routes, and placing such safety measures on ships as barbed wire that would prevent pirates from being able to board vessels.

"We've had safety meetings every month for the last three years and made suggestions of what should be done and they have been ignored," Hicks said. "I'm just trying to make sure this is a lot better for other seamen."

Hicks also asked the two companies pay at least $75,000 in damages, saying he doesn't know if he will ever work on a ship again.

"My family is not looking forward to me going back out to sea. But I'm not sure if I'm going back. I'm still nervous, leery. I might find something else to do, said Hicks, who has worked 32 years as a merchant seaman.

"We think (the companies) should be more concerned about the personnel on their ships than the profits the companies make," said Terry Bryant, Hicks' attorney.

Both companies do business in Texas, which is why the suit was filed in Houston, he said.

Pirates took over the Alabama on April 8 before Capt. Richard Phillips surrendered himself in exchange for the safety of his 19-member crew. The captain was taken on a lifeboat and held hostage for five days before U.S. Navy SEAL snipers on the destroyer USS Bainbridge killed three of his captors and freed him.

Hicks said crew members have been trained on what to do if pirates or others threaten the ship.

"We need more than training," said the 53-year-old who lives in Royal Palm Beach, Fla., and has two grown sons. "I never thought nothing like this would ever happen."

Hicks said pirates had tried to board the ship two other times that week, but the Alabama had managed to outrun them. But on April 8, as Hicks was preparing food for the crew, the ship's alarm rang and the captain announced the ship was being boarded by pirates.

Hicks and the other crew members went to their designated safety room, which was the engine room, and they waited there for more than 12 hours in 125 degree heat.

"I didn't know if I was going to live or die," Hicks said.

The crew managed to take a pirate hostage, wounding him with an ice pick, and attempted to use him to get back Phillips. But the bandits fled the ship with Phillips as their captive, holding him in the lifeboat until the SEAL sharpshooters rescued him.

"He did a hell of a job saving us," Hicks said of Phillips.

But Bryant said the Maersk Line and Waterman share the blame for putting the crew at risk.

"We want to bring more attention to the shipping industry and the dangers in pirate-infested waters," he said

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
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