Any luck?

[Sea Flat]

Originally Posted by spinncognito

Wah Wah Wah.... so someone asked if you were having any luck and it pissed you off? Perhaps you should have replied, "I have been picking off a few, how have you been doing this season so far?" That tool may have told you he had been into fish all night at ___________.

Any Luck? is a common question and if you are that miserable fishing perhaps you should find a hobby you enjoy.

I agree with this!! Why so angry? If you don't want to answer the question honestly then stretch the truth, but at least be polite!

Fisherman should be like brothers that all take part in one of the most enjoyable and relaxing past times that is on this earth. "Can't we all just get along?"

[flyvice11787]

To all the posters who see this as a very negative post, see my post stating that I believe there are only 3 types of answers to the question "Any luck?" when i am into fish and someone shows up late. Some form of "Yes", some form of "No", or silence.
Then you need to understand that the spot I was fishing is a very small spot. A very small piece of structure in a small location.
I don't need to feed information to someone so he can come back and "share" the spot with me. Of course it is not "my" spot, it's a public place. I would just rather not have someone I do not know crowding me. The reason I was angry is that the guy wanted to know if there are fish there. In the original post, I was pretty clear that I put in my due diligence, being there after working late and with little sleep. Why should he be entitled to find out what is going on without his putting in the time? Why do I need to have to lie to the guy? I would rather not answer than have to lie to someone. As another member pointed out, had I shared info with this guy, it may have been reciprocated, but that may not be the case. If I am missing out on a bite somewhere else, it's either I am not doing my homework, or it is just my loss as I can't be everywhere at once.
There is certain information that can be shared and locations discussed, this just didn't happen to be it.

[Gunpowder]

Originally Posted by flyvice11787

To all the posters who see this as a very negative post, see my post stating that I believe there are only 3 types of answers to the question "Any luck?" when i am into fish and someone shows up late. Some form of "Yes", some form of "No", or silence.
Then you need to understand that the spot I was fishing is a very small spot. A very small piece of structure in a small location.
I don't need to feed information to someone so he can come back and "share" the spot with me. Of course it is not "my" spot, it's a public place. I would just rather not have someone I do not know crowding me. The reason I was angry is that the guy wanted to know if there are fish there. In the original post, I was pretty clear that I put in my due diligence, being there after working late and with little sleep. Why should he be entitled to find out what is going on without his putting in the time? Why do I need to have to lie to the guy? I would rather not answer than have to lie to someone. As another member pointed out, had I shared info with this guy, it may have been reciprocated, but that may not be the case. If I am missing out on a bite somewhere else, it's either I am not doing my homework, or it is just my loss as I can't be everywhere at once.
There is certain information that can be shared and locations discussed, this just didn't happen to be it.

thats a fair response flyvice, and though i would not have responded with the "silent treatment", when you explain it as you did in this response, i guess i understand where you were coming from a little more. i have walked by many people on the beach that have chosen not to mention anything to my question "hi, hows it going?" but like you said, some people just want to fish and dont want to be interrupted. there are many different kinds of people out there fishing who all fish for different reasons.... now, tell me where your little spot is so i can determine if there are fish there or not

[GonnaCatchABig1]

Originally Posted by flyvice11787

To all the posters who see this as a very negative post, see my post stating that I believe there are only 3 types of answers to the question "Any luck?" when i am into fish and someone shows up late. Some form of "Yes", some form of "No", or silence.
Then you need to understand that the spot I was fishing is a very small spot. A very small piece of structure in a small location.
I don't need to feed information to someone so he can come back and "share" the spot with me. Of course it is not "my" spot, it's a public place. I would just rather not have someone I do not know crowding me. The reason I was angry is that the guy wanted to know if there are fish there. In the original post, I was pretty clear that I put in my due diligence, being there after working late and with little sleep. Why should he be entitled to find out what is going on without his putting in the time? Why do I need to have to lie to the guy? I would rather not answer than have to lie to someone. As another member pointed out, had I shared info with this guy, it may have been reciprocated, but that may not be the case. If I am missing out on a bite somewhere else, it's either I am not doing my homework, or it is just my loss as I can't be everywhere at once.
There is certain information that can be shared and locations discussed, this just didn't happen to be it.

you had me sympathizing (not that you care, nor should you honestly) till this post.. and since you threw out your opinion i guess i'll toss out mine. i mean it's only fair we all get too right?

where you lost me... is in the selfish over tone of this post. i understand the frustration of being out all night and then it seems like someone wants an easy path to the fish. but at the same time, is catching a few fish really more important treating a fellow fishermen (person at the least) with some respect? if you were having a rough night and just wanted to be left alone fine. everyone has nights like that. but for the reasoning to be "i was there longer and studied the area harder, so those are my fish" (which you can vehemently deny, but thats pretty much what you said about the night in question) is just re-donk-u-lous. in the 20 years i have fishing (mostly fresh mind you) i think there is one spot i picked out all my own with no prior knowledge. and i was 5 years old at the time. since then every single spot i have found has been the result of some one else's knowledge. whether i got it from reading a book or listening at bait shops etc. at some point some one else had previous knowledge of the spot/conditions/structure type/etc.. it would be unfathomable to think that at some point in time that any spot i or you fished was not known to someone else at some point. and more than likely the same info that steered you to that spot probably steered others.

thats not say that their aren't instant tips that people chose to, or chose not to give for certain spots. but i am willing to bet with 125% certainty that you learned about that type of structure to fish from some one else willing to divulge the information about it.

let's look at it like this. you have never fished before. some one hands you a rod and reel. and let's say... a popper. keep in mind you have no idea how to fish. or even what fish are out there. and this person says catch a striper. with no further instructions. what the heck would you do? i am willing to bet you wouldnt be catching any fish.

point being fishing is a sport of information. for someone to assume that someone else is not going to be out there scouting and asking around for info is ridiculous. infact 90% of the sport revolves around the sharing of info and ideas. (the other 10% is radical new ideas that then ofcourse get shared) even that crap you read on the packaging of plugs was at one time probably "top secret" info. that is if everyone followed that same rational of "i found this out so it's mine". you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on. and neither would i nor would 90% of fishermen out there today.

it's just like every other craft out there. trial and error. LOTS AND LOTS of ERROR passed on from generation to generation. with out any of the passing on of knowledge what do any of us have? a bunch of gear we have no idea what to do with.

i have learned sooooooooo much about fishing from other people i can't even begin to sum it up. but with out all those random people i have run into. including these boards. i would be beyond lost. i probably still wouldn't know to look for structure at all. hell i probably wouldn't even know what the fish ate. let alone where to fish for them.

like i said i understand a bad day wanting to be left alone. we all have days like that and go out and do what we enjoy to help relieve the stress. and will lie or ignore people just due to not wanting to deal with people. (though PERSONALLY the last thing i do when i want to ignore people is go outside, don't have the liberty of consistently empty spots) but to say you ignored this guy because (for whatever reason) you are entitled to the fish there, is in MY opinion, completely the wrong thing to do.

[BigFish]

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".

[GonnaCatchABig1]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".

hmmmmm.. you and sweet water. something i haven't heard much about. so i can't tell if you were lying or not.

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by Gunpowder

thats a fair response flyvice, and though i would not have responded with the "silent treatment", when you explain it as you did in this response, i guess i understand where you were coming from a little more. i have walked by many people on the beach that have chosen not to mention anything to my question "hi, hows it going?" but like you said, some people just want to fish and dont want to be interrupted. there are many different kinds of people out there fishing who all fish for different reasons.... now, tell me where your little spot is so i can determine if there are fish there or not

The fish are where Bigfish says .

Originally Posted by BigFish

Tell him you caught a bunch of 30 pounders about 200 yards down the beach about a week ago??? But tonight is kind of quiet!

[Dad 818]

Originally Posted by BigFish

Hit some sweet water this am and a guy shows up and what do you think the first 2 words out of his mouth were??? Any guesses??? Hmmmmmm??? If you guessed "Any Luck?" you would be right......I simply responded "Nope...not yet".

That no good sonofab!tch

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by GonnaCatchABig1

you had me sympathizing (not that you care, nor should you honestly) till this post.. and since you threw out your opinion i guess i'll toss out mine. i mean it's only fair we all get too right?

where you lost me... is in the selfish over tone of this post. i understand the frustration of being out all night and then it seems like someone wants an easy path to the fish. but at the same time, is catching a few fish really more important treating a fellow fishermen (person at the least) with some respect? if you were having a rough night and just wanted to be left alone fine. everyone has nights like that. but for the reasoning to be "i was there longer and studied the area harder, so those are my fish" (which you can vehemently deny, but thats pretty much what you said about the night in question) is just re-donk-u-lous. in the 20 years i have fishing (mostly fresh mind you) i think there is one spot i picked out all my own with no prior knowledge. and i was 5 years old at the time. since then every single spot i have found has been the result of some one else's knowledge. whether i got it from reading a book or listening at bait shops etc. at some point some one else had previous knowledge of the spot/conditions/structure type/etc.. it would be unfathomable to think that at some point in time that any spot i or you fished was not known to someone else at some point. and more than likely the same info that steered you to that spot probably steered others.

thats not say that their aren't instant tips that people chose to, or chose not to give for certain spots. but i am willing to bet with 125% certainty that you learned about that type of structure to fish from some one else willing to divulge the information about it.

let's look at it like this. you have never fished before. some one hands you a rod and reel. and let's say... a popper. keep in mind you have no idea how to fish. or even what fish are out there. and this person says catch a striper. with no further instructions. what the heck would you do? i am willing to bet you wouldnt be catching any fish.

point being fishing is a sport of information. for someone to assume that someone else is not going to be out there scouting and asking around for info is ridiculous. infact 90% of the sport revolves around the sharing of info and ideas. (the other 10% is radical new ideas that then ofcourse get shared) even that crap you read on the packaging of plugs was at one time probably "top secret" info. that is if everyone followed that same rational of "i found this out so it's mine". you probably wouldn't have a leg to stand on. and neither would i nor would 90% of fishermen out there today.

it's just like every other craft out there. trial and error. LOTS AND LOTS of ERROR passed on from generation to generation. with out any of the passing on of knowledge what do any of us have? a bunch of gear we have no idea what to do with.

i have learned sooooooooo much about fishing from other people i can't even begin to sum it up. but with out all those random people i have run into. including these boards. i would be beyond lost. i probably still wouldn't know to look for structure at all. hell i probably wouldn't even know what the fish ate. let alone where to fish for them.

like i said i understand a bad day wanting to be left alone. we all have days like that and go out and do what we enjoy to help relieve the stress. and will lie or ignore people just due to not wanting to deal with people. (though PERSONALLY the last thing i do when i want to ignore people is go outside, don't have the liberty of consistently empty spots) but to say you ignored this guy because (for whatever reason) you are entitled to the fish there, is in MY opinion, completely the wrong thing to do.

At no point have I denied that there is a selfish aspect to the whole thing. I have enough respect for myself and him not to lie 5 seconds into a conversation. I could run into him again, and would rather be thought rude or secretive than a liar. I've said all along he wasn't paying his dues. I'm just PO'd over someone just showing up and wanting something handed to them. I've fished the spot for some 30 years. I've seen many "regulars" come and go, and here comes someone I do not recognize essentially asking for information. It wasn't as if he was there and saw me catching while he was struggling, and asked me what I was using or if I was doing something than he was. There is something to be said for putting some time in. Phrased the right way, in the right context, I have no problems answering questions and helping someone. But to show up and ask if fish are there, nope. Put the time in and maybe see some fish pushing bait, or maybe even see someone else catch, or holy smoke, catch fish on your own!!!

[Back Beach]

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[Gunpowder]

Originally Posted by flyvice11787

I'm just PO'd over someone just showing up and wanting something handed to them.

all he asked was "any luck?" i still dont see how u are "handing" him something... its not like hes gonna pack up and leave if u said no

[piemma]

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by piemma

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

In your case, you had every right to have the rock to yourself. If it was a huge rock where he could fish a decent distance away, you shouldn't have a problem. But it sounds like he was on top of you. And, you were there first.

I'd be willing to bet that since he knew right where to go, he probably thought that it was you on "his rock", though. He probably walked away thinking to himself "I can't believe that jerkwad rockblocked me".

[JFigliuolo]

Originally Posted by piemma

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

Big difference between being mugged and a simple "Any Luck Greeting"...

And to think after that you and rockhound became the closest of fishing partners. One of life little quirks I guess.

[flyvice11787]

Originally Posted by ivanputski

"WHATS UP" doesnt mean someone wants to know what's directly above your head in the sky where you are standing, just like "any luck" doesnt mean "tell me what youve caught, when, using what, and casting it where..." you follow?

I know he didn't ask all that. But did you see my thought on this?

Originally Posted by flyvice11787

While "Any luck?" is a common greeting, in my opinion, it is also a way for someone to glean info from you.

In my opinion, he wanted confirmation of whether there are fish there. As I already explained, there is either yes, no, or no reply. If he wants to know if fish are around, he can either go to a report site, subscribe to a magazine with reports, or be there when the fish are. For the same reason I don't go and report where and what I am catching, I'm not inclined to tell someone I don't know that fish are present at a spot I'm fishing. He'll have to find out from someone else or be present when the fish are .

Originally Posted by piemma

So let me inflame the conversation.

About 7 or 8 years ago I posted this story and got severly chastised for my response. Let's see what comes out of it this time.

So it's 2 in the morning. I am out on a reef in RI. 472 miles of coat line and this guy is coming out.

Here comes a light wading the reef right to the only rock you can stand on in reasonable safty at this point in the tide. This guy finally get on my rock an elbow away and says, yep you guess it, "Any Luck".

I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

Was I insensitive or do I have a right to protect my turf?

While my spot isn't quite this small, 4 guys would be a crowd. And being I didn't confirm the fish were there, no one else but a friend I clued in has been there the last 3 mornings .

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by piemma

So let me inflame the conversation.


I told him to get the #**^&% off of my rock.

?

Piemma, first let me say as a newbie to this site, I have learned a lot from your posts. Fatherhood forced me to recently switch from the boat to the surf, so I have a lot to learn.

You asked for comments on your story. Different people have different levels of tolerance, and situations are different. When I first started in the surf, I hit the Quonnie breechway on a Wednesday night at 1 AM. I was the only one there. All of a sudden a few more guys show up. Why can't I tell THEM to get off my rock?

I guess you could have used it as a learning situation for that guy, and politely explained to him the courtesy surfcasters are expected to show on eanother. I'm new at this, and I fish alone most of the time, so I can certainly see the possibility where I'm doing something that an experienced surfcaster might not like. If that's the case, I welcome any insights and tips on how to improve. Constructive criticism is fine.

With all due respect, if your first reaction was to tell me to get the ^*%$@# of "your rock", I would politely reply, "or what"? You're seriously going to take a swing at me over a public fishing spot? You're seriously willing to hurt me, get hurt yourself, get arrested, get sued, over a fishing spot?

Lots of internet chest-thumping on this topic. I can't believe so many of you are that confrontational. Not typical of my experience, where boaters and fisherman have shown to be friendly, helpful, and laid-back. I'll chalk it up to being internet tough guys, I hope that's what it is...or I sure don't belong here.

[ThomCat]

I'd just say "Hey man, I been sittiin' here eatin' tabs of orange sunshine like they were M&M's since noon. I can't even see the water!!! There's water? What water?!? Did you know your face is all purple and melty with some squiggly lime green lines??? You shoulda' been here earlier when the pebbles washing up on the beach were chanting Inna Godda Da Vida!!! D you get a whiff of salt in the air around here?!? Why is it the sky so orange anyhow? You don't have an extra cap I can borrow to keep my head from exploding do ya?!?! Oh, Yeah...what was your qusetion??????????????

[piemma]

Originally Posted by ThomCat

I'd just say "Hey man, I been sittiin' here eatin' tabs of orange sunshine like they were M&M's since noon. I can't even see the water!!! There's water? What water?!? Did you know your face is all purple and melty with some squiggly lime green lines??? You shoulda' been here earlier when the pebbles washing up on the beach were chanting Inna Godda Da Vida!!! D you get a whiff of salt in the air around here?!? Why is it the sky so orange anyhow? You don't have an extra cap I can borrow to keep my head from exploding do ya?!?! Oh, Yeah...what was your qusetion??????????????

..and Tommy you know where I was