Cool beans def of a liberal:

[scottw]

[QUOTE=RIROCKHOUND;693518]I trimmed it down, but left the meat of the quote...

1. Gov. healthcare: so all liberals believe in this? hope not...I'm pretty liberal and believe it should be provided for minors who can't afford it or whose parents can't provide it. it is... Should the government work to make it more affordable! show me where the govt. has ever worked and made something more affordable...oh,,,wait...there was that "affordable housing crisis"..oh, yeah and they forced these banks to make all of these loans that were rediculous but "affordable"...and..well, we know how that's turned out.....absolutely! Do I need to see universal healthcare? Nope, good...but it should be more affordable. Liberal or logical? everything should be more affordable, have you been to the grocery store lately...geez

2. "Improve" local school... No child left behind was a bush act, no? actually no it was " the No Child Left Behind, Ted Kennedy's signature education reform bill", Bush just signed it and according to Kennedy and the left, he underfunded it, funny how everything these clowns come up with would certainly work if only it weren't underfunded... Do I want federal oversite and more regulations on teaching to tests? No, but we need more work to imrove thinking, not rote memorization... Should there be tolerance taught, and making sure religious tone stays out of schools 100% yes. No tolerance for religeon? well, maybe certain ones right? Maybe also teach a little more reading, riting and rithmatek and less recycling, racism and reproduction and we'd have more productive citizens that can function in society..... Kids can go to private school if they need that education. AMEN There should be more incentives to hire the best possible teachers. period. but this would hurt the self esteem of the not so best possible teachers and completely upset the union apple cart...Liberal or logical?

3. Salary caps: Do I have a problem with people getting rich, Hell no. but does it sicken me when John Doe (don't you mean John Dough?)of the EVIL X investment company made millions while his clients were losing (like Washington and the rest of America, they keep partying like rock stars and porn stars and we keep losing) money, hell yes. I hate it when hack politicians/community organizers get unrepentent terrorists to write books for them and then make millions on the proceeds and the spend trillions of dollars of other peoples money in like 6 months time....that 's unfair...There was just a 2million dollar wedding in newport from someone who made a fortune with a trading co... I hope his clients are making money if he is! But no, it is socialist to question the golden parachutes some of the corporate guys get... liberal or logical?

4. Gun control: You cna own all the hand guns and rifles you want for hunting, sporting, whatever, but I still advocate a ban on automatic weapons, and would love to see it remain hard to get a gun. I have zero problem with law-abiding people owning weapons/ this is good

5. Abortion: the rights favorite zinger.... all liberals do not promote abortion as birth control, but it should ABSOLUTELY be a women's right to choose, period.
why shouldn't it also be a man's right to choose, at this time, in our fairness society the child(or not) is half the man's property, is it not? unless she's been to the clinic she couldn't do it without him and he should have rights too...it's not his fault that when he evolved from a monkey he wasn't given the benefit of the ability to carry a child(except maybe in England, twice...still freaks me out), you can't discriminate against him based on his gender can you?
nice try Spock still vague on the liberal thing

[RIROCKHOUND]

[QUOTE=scottw;693577]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I trimmed it down, but left the meat of the quote...

5. Abortion: the rights favorite zinger.... all liberals do not promote abortion as birth control, but it should ABSOLUTELY be a women's right to choose, period.
why shouldn't it also be a man's right to choose, at this time, in our fairness society the child(or not) is half the man's property, is it not? unless she's been to the clinic she couldn't do it without him and he should have rights too...it's not his fault that when he evolved from a monkey he wasn't given the benefit of the ability to carry a child(except maybe in England, twice...still freaks me out), you can't discriminate against him based on his gender can you?
nice try Spock still vague on the liberal thing

I don't have time to get into all 5 points...
should the guy have a choice? yes, but how many of the cases does the guy want to keep it, raise it and be a good father. I bet in these cases it is few.

[scottw]

yeah, you are right ROCK..probably never...still think it should be a "person's right to choose" liberal or logical? can it be both ? because with the way that you couched it , you exclude one by chosing the other...


JD....we can all find common ground...

[Cool Beans]

Scott and Johnny, you guys have a very good point there on abortion. In so much as the man's rights in the whole ordeal.

Think about this one though,

Say I am your neighbor and have a female golden retriever, who becomes pregnant with your black lab as the father. I then give my dog something that makes it sick and causes her to abort the puppies. You call the cops on me and I get arrested.

How are those puppies worth more than a human baby?

Bottom line is people need to be responsible when it comes to sex.

Those points you quoted me on were "taken out of context" ... lol...
I just had to say that..

I honestly meant to pick a few things that came to mind on Spence being a Lib. On numerous threads on here, he consistently "tows the party line" and defends the Libs and Obama at every turn. It's nothing new, and I don't see why liberals always get upset when they are called a liberal. Be proud of what you are! You call me a "Right wing ultra Conservative wacko" and I think "Hell Ya!!" There is nothing wrong with being a Liberal, Having Liberals and Conservatives in this country promote growth and hopefully make our country stronger.

If we did everything "my way" every other country would hate us for having all the $$$ and pushing them around. While on the other hand, if we did everything his way, we would be bankrupt and everyone would think we were pussies. It takes a mix of left wing wackos and right wing nuts to make this country great.

If nothing else, it keeps the other countries on their toes. They don't know if we are going to "Kick their teeth in" or roll over and "take it in the ***".

[scottw]

[QUOTE=Cool Beans;693617]
I honestly meant to pick a few things that came to mind on Spence being a Lib. On numerous threads on here, he consistently "tows the party line" and defends the Libs and Obama at every turn.


Yup, all he does is regurgitate lefty talking points constantly, once he runs out of them there's very little SUBSTANCE...kinda like when Obma's teleprompter goes on the fritz...

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

Yup, all he does is regurgitate lefty talking points constantly, once he runs out of them there's very little SUBSTANCE...kinda like when Obma's teleprompter goes on the fritz...

But to be fair, typically your posts are a one line comment then a copy/paste of some conservative's commentary.

[Backbeach Jake]

I believe everyone sould have health insurance. That doesn't keep them chained to a job. If you leave your job now, you lose your insurance, or pay outragous money for it when you have none. Some jobs places are unbearable, insureance shouldn't force you to stay there. I've had such a job, quit it and risked my health without insurance for a few months. Perscriptions can be mind blowingly pricey...
I believe that a person has a right to work under a contract, if that means union then so be it. But it should be in writing that if I do "X" then I get paid "Y". No change the rules for eithe side for the sake of "convenience".
I believe that everyone who works as hard as I do and has a little luck as I have should have what I have. A house, a car, decent food on the table, and a little left sometimes. That's not so much.
I believe that lending institutions should say no if a borrower doesn't qualify. Doing anything less is preditory and self serving. And will ultimately destroy the borrower. They should also help and educate the potential borrower, instead of expecting things to work out...
I believe that any manufacturer who ships jobs offshore should pay tarrifs equal to the welfare and unemployment that will now be paid to their former American employees. Throw in the tuitions and mortgages that default as a result of their actions as well.
I believe that our system for lawsuits has mad cow. It needs to be fixed.
I could go on and on but my two fingers are aching now....

[spence]

Originally Posted by Cool Beans

On numerous threads on here, he consistently "tows the party line" and defends the Libs and Obama at every turn. It's nothing new, and I don't see why liberals always get upset when they are called a liberal. Be proud of what you are!

Not at all, I'm not defending the Obama position but rather exposing unbalance in the arguments posted.

For example...

People have been grilling Obama for the 2009+ budget deficits. I have not endorsed large deficits but rather argued that Obama has inherited a lot of the problem.

Big difference. I see this as objectivity, you see this as endorsement.

-spence

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by scottw

5. Abortion: the rights favorite zinger.... all liberals do not promote abortion as birth control, but it should ABSOLUTELY be a women's right to choose, period.
why shouldn't it also be a man's right to choose, at this time, in our fairness society the child(or not) is half the man's property, is it not? unless she's been to the clinic she couldn't do it without him and he should have rights too...it's not his fault that when he evolved from a monkey he wasn't given the benefit of the ability to carry a child(except maybe in England, twice...still freaks me out), you can't discriminate against him based on his gender can you?
nice try Spock still vague on the liberal thing

Holy Sh!t. The depths of hell have frozen over. scottw and I actually agree on something. I see abortion policy like this - my responsibility but not my decision? Yes, the woman does have to carry the baby for 9 months, but then the man is faced with carrying the burden of an unwanted child for 18 years (22 if they go to college, which many in this situation don't). Our society and the courts are extremely biased against the father when it comes to custody and that bias extends all the way back to conception.

It takes two people for conception, but only one has the power to decide to keep it or not.

Before this becomes an abortion debate, this argument is 100% transferable in the case of wanting to put the kid up for adoption - so let's please not start the bi-monthly abortion debate.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by JohnnyD

Holy Sh!t. The depths of hell have frozen over. scottw and I actually agree on something. I see abortion policy like this - my responsibility but not my decision? Yes, the woman does have to carry the baby for 9 months, but then the man is faced with carrying the burden of an unwanted child for 18 years (22 if they go to college, which many in this situation don't). Our society and the courts are extremely biased against the father when it comes to custody and that bias extends all the way back to conception.

It takes two people for conception, but only one has the power to decide to keep it or not.

Before this becomes an abortion debate, this argument is 100% transferable in the case of wanting to put the kid up for adoption - so let's please not start the bi-monthly abortion debate.

BRING YOUR OWN AND WRAP THAT SH@#$
Jesus is it that hard?
Planned Parenthood GIVES AWAY CONDOMS! AS MANY AS YOU WANT!

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by likwid

BRING YOUR OWN AND WRAP THAT SH@#$
Jesus is it that hard?
Planned Parenthood GIVES AWAY CONDOMS! AS MANY AS YOU WANT!

Always wrapped. Hell, I even thought about double-bagging it a couple times in college when things got really desperate.

However, some people are responsible yet nothing no form of non-permanent birth control is guaranteed, and even semi-permanent solutions like vasectomies have a 1 in 10,000 chance.

Adoption is an option for unwanted pregnancy, yet the man has no say. Hell, even if the couple agreed they didn't want a child, if the woman wanted to abort the fetus, yet the man didn't believe in abortion and wanted to have it put up for adoption the man has no say.

In a society plagued by calls for "equal rights for all", I find it ironic that those calls only stand for women and minorities. A man wants equal rights and he's essentially told to go screw.